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How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby BoJack » Thu Apr 16, 2009 5:55 pm

What do you have? Pointer,Setter? Both? Trial dog,gun dog? Post some pics and pedigrees.
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby Grouse Dog Guy » Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:54 pm

I have both, four setters and four pointers. Three setters out of Long Gone George and one Calico Future Force. Pointers out of Jeb's VD, Crazy Horse, Beaver Meadow Benjaman and Thunderhills Zeus. I would post pictures but with a darn dial up it takes a week. I run them in cover trials and hunt grouse.
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby Benny » Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:33 pm

Mutty Pointer (don't ask)
she's no trialer, and I just don't think its for me anyhow. I like being in the woods and in the rimrock mostly with just my hunt'n partner.
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby snips » Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:49 pm

I got pointers. German pointers:)
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby birdhunter2424 » Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:59 pm

I have a pointer. But, if I didn't need a duck retriever I would have a setter.
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby BoJack » Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:20 pm

Was referring to English Pointers.Though I know there's plenty of good German Shorthairs out there.I've seen some good ones.Most are bird finding machines.And I know you have some Top ones Brenda.I heard about you from a friend Bruce Shaffer.
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby snips » Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:32 pm

Thanks...I have had some long tails too, still have one. (pointer)
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby birdhunter2424 » Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:36 pm

I guess that is my bias showing through. I never even thought of english, thats funny.
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby Benny » Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:44 pm

English Pointer? Now who'd wanna go and do that. After all, Germany makes the best beer, the best dogs, the best cars...England??? oh yeah those muffins...mmmmmm :mrgreen:

Just kidding. Gorgeous dog's, might be consideration for our next.
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby BoJack » Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:46 pm

Grouse Dog,
Sounds like you're Loaded with good dogs and bloodlines.I'd like to get a George pup sometime in the future.I have a Penn Star female.And a 3 month old male Elhew bred pup.I'm just a gun dogger but may try dabbling in grouse trials in the future.Those Pointer lines are top grouse lines also.
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby Sharon » Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:56 pm

2 setters - out of Shady Hills Billy. I trial both setters ( AF). ( Oh yes, that's my Jack Russell - rabbit dog extrordinaire). :)

http://lee460.zenfolio.com/p737369523/slideshow
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby Grouse Dog Guy » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:14 pm

BoJack wrote:Grouse Dog,
Sounds like you're Loaded with good dogs and bloodlines.I'd like to get a George pup sometime in the future.I have a Penn Star female.And a 3 month old male Elhew bred pup.I'm just a gun dogger but may try dabbling in grouse trials in the future.Those Pointer lines are top grouse lines also.


A good one doesn't cost anymore than a German :mrgreen: I tried a bunch of those German dogs and ended up back with the English Setters and Pointers they do a better job at what I hunt and where I trial. I've only been trialing about twenty years, before that just hunted but I always tried to breed to the best in the grouse woods. Had dogs out of Sam L's Rebel, Meteor, Turnto, Glencrest Doctor, Grouse Ridge Will, Leroy, Reroy, Storm, Hank, J, Been, John and Wrongway, Teaberry and a bunch I can't remember.
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby BoJack » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:48 pm

Had a friend in the 70's George Dom,Clearspring,Md.Who bred Sam L's Rebel and Hickory Pride Setters.Also had dogs heavy in Sam L's Skyhigh and Retinascope blood.I had a Grouse Ridge Will son out of a Flaming Star female in the mid 70's.Easiest breaking Satter I ever owned.Hunted him alot and won some walking gun dog stakes with him also.
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby BoJack » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:56 pm

Sharon,
How's your Billy dogs doing in the trials? I know Billy's sucessful in the grouse trials and a good producer.
If that is a picture link you posted,it's locked and says "Protected by owner"
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby BoJack » Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:28 pm

DG,
I bet that's Refreshing for you huh? :lol:
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby BrettBryan » Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:07 pm

Doug,

I love the pictures. Beautiful scenery out west. absolutely beautiful. Picture perfect.
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby BigShooter » Fri Apr 17, 2009 1:13 pm

I had an ES once a few years back, bred in N.D. She was a terrific natural retriever on waterfowl as long as see could see where they landed. Beautiful pointing dog, I also used her on grouse because I wasn't hunting other upland birds at the time.
Very biddable dog. Such a natural she required almost no formal training at all.
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby Grange » Fri Apr 17, 2009 1:29 pm

My setter puppy, Tico.

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She is out of TerHaar Rocko and TerHaar Grace. Dogs on her sires side include 5XCH Grouse Ridge Reroy (Grand Sire), 3XCH Grouse Ridge Hank, R-U CH Long Gone Sam, and CH Pinnacle among others. Dogs on her dam's side include 2XCH/3XR-U CH Long George George (Grand Sire), 8XCH/4XR-U CH Long Gone Agnes (Grand Dam), 5XCH/3XR-U CH First Rate, and CH Long Gone Stokely among others.

Can someone help with out with information on Grouse Ridge Sandy and Grouse Ridge Chris? I can't find much for pedigree info on these two. Both are females on the Sire's side. Grouse Ridge Sandy is the Grand Dam and is out of Grouse Ridge Hank and Grouse Ridge Chris, but that is as far back as I can find.

I have never trialed with the pointing dogs, but I do plan on entering Tico into some puppy trials this fall. I'm hoping there will be a coverdog trial with puppy stake in WI otherwise she will just be in a AF pointing dog club trial puppy stake.
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby Flush » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:02 pm

I've got a couple of Setters, and my hunting buddy has a Pointer. We hunt them from Montana to Arizona and everywhere in between as often as possible.
We like the big running renegade type.

I have dabbled in AF walking trials a tiny bit in the past and we just ran my one young Setter and my buddie's Pointer in our first horseback handled stake last weekend. They must have had some pity for us rookies given that our horses, and our dogs, and most importantly us humans didn't have much of a clue. In sympathy they gave my setter second place in the open derby, my first and likely last field trial accomplishment.


Oh and for you confused folks, there is only one "Pointer". I know there are a few other types of dogs out there that point (mainly rabbits and rodents I think) but these other ones need adjectives in their names to differentate them from the orginal and real mycoy :D In the words of the Highlander: There can be only one!

...... Pointer (not English, just Pointer)
http://www.akc.org/breeds/pointer/
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby RayGubernat » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:50 pm

Bojack - Pointers are my choice. Sory, no Pics. I'm technologically challenged.

Don't hunt much anymore...no birds and the seasons are all cut up with this or that specil deer season.

My dogs are heavy with Evolution /Endurance through Redemption's Reward, Arrival and Gunsmoke's Fat Boy with a good bit of Hook's and Guard Rail in there also.

I mostly do local trials these day, both AF and AKC. It's fun and I can ride to watch the dogs.
My season is almost done. One more trial here in DE, next weekend and that's it 'till the fall.

Next fall the AKC Pointer National Championships will again rotate to the East ans will be held on the Wye Is. WMA on the Eastern shore of MD. I am looking forward to that. I had fun the last time that Ch. was out this way.

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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby Sharon » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:27 pm

BoJack wrote:Sharon,
How's your Billy dogs doing in the trials? I know Billy's sucessful in the grouse trials and a good producer.
If that is a picture link you posted,it's locked and says "Protected by owner"


The whole litter has done really well. ( Fixed the link. Hope it works.) http://lee460.zenfolio.com/p737369523/slideshow
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby BoJack » Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:59 pm

Sharon,
The link's working now.Nice pics and sounds like that litter must be a good one,and don't doubt it coming from Billy.

Grange,
Beautiful pup and Classy(nice bloodlines too).Chris is out of Grouse Ridge Been/Grouse Ridge Sushi(Daughter of Ch Amos Mosley)GR Been is out of Beau Ridge Tomoka(son of Ch Tomoka)Hank is out of Bluebell's Bandit/GR Bobee.Hope that helps
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby BoJack » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:05 pm

Ray,
Not much Gunsmoke blood left is there?

What differences do you see between AF trials and AKC trials?

I live in Western Md.and may just travel down to spectate that AKC Championship this fall.
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby Grouse Dog Guy » Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:03 am

BoJack wrote:Ray,
Not much Gunsmoke blood left is there?

What differences do you see between AF trials and AKC trials?

I live in Western Md.and may just travel down to spectate that AKC Championship this fall.


We don't live very far apart, I am in southwest Pa. Your right about the gunsmoke it's getting all, had a litter of pointer pups in Jan that goes back to Van Mac, top and bottom but theres so much other stuff in there that it's pretty much washed out. I was lucky enough to hunt over Van, he was something.
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby RayGubernat » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:58 pm

Bojack -

In my area the biggest difference I see between AF and AKC trial dogs is in the running style that is expected.

If your dog does not run with a merry tail, you are not going to place much, even in weekend AF trials. You can pretty much forget about doing anything in any hour AF shooting dog stakes if the dog does not run with a merry tail.

In the AKC stakes I have attended, a dog that runs with a floating tail or even a flat tail, will have a good chance of placing if it hunts, handles and points birds with style and manners.

As far as how the trials themselves are conducted, there are some minor things, rules and such, but I have seen nothing of any real consequence in terms of differences. I would say the AKC all age stakes I have seen were roughly equivalent to what you would see in an AF shooting dog stake.

Some of the AKC Gun Dog stakes, by way of contrast, seemed to have dogs that worked much closer and were more responsive to the handler's cues, with much less vocalization on the part of the handlers. Reading the AKC rules, the kinder handling, mofre visible dog would be consistent with what the AKC considers a "Gun Dog".

Like any trial, much depends on the limitations of the venue and the preferences of the judges. Most of the venues in my area are on the small side, with significant areas of cover, which tends to favor dogs that run and hunt in a more controlled fashion.

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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby BoJack » Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:38 pm

Good posts so far folks,keep 'em coming,pics also.I know there's more Pointer and Setter people on here.

Ray,
I may run some AKC Gun Dog stakes this Fall.Will be finishing my Setter female this summer.

Flush,
You and your Setter must've been doing something right,congrats.

Grouse Dog,
Yeah I've heard that Van Mac was a Heckava dog.Where do you live in Pa.?
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby BoJack » Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:46 pm

My 3 month old Pointer pup Doc(Elhew Damascus grandson) And my two year old Penn Star daughter Pepper.Doc is the flip side of my avatar pup.
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby phoenix » Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:42 pm

Here is my 3 mo old llew Duff, growing like a weed![img][IMG]http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt119/mrflatrock1/DSC01060.jpg[/img]
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby BoJack » Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:42 pm

Phoenix,
Nice pup.Hope you find a good trainer
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby rizz1 » Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:20 am

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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby BoJack » Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:25 am

rizz.
Some nice ones!
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby rizz1 » Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:08 pm

bo,

thank you here are a few more


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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby midwestfisherman » Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:23 pm

Here's my crew.

Glenn Raven's Shady Billie (out of 5XCH/3XR-U CH Shady Hills Billy x Grouse River Princess)
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Billie on some desert quail
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Billie as a pup
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Glenn Raven's Arwen Agnelia (out of 2XCH/2XR-U CH Long Gone Nixon x Grouse River Princess)
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Arwen at about 10 weeks old
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HiFive's Magickal Merlin (r) (out of CH Guy Begone x Tamarack Sally Q) and his younger brother Jack (L) (Jack is owned by my friend Brad).
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Merlin lounging (as usual)
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby PntrRookie » Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:41 am

Chestnut Tri-color Setter...Deuce is my first ES and will NOT be my last! Cut my teeth with a GSP and would not have changed that for the world.
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby BoJack » Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:08 am

Awsome pics all!

midwest,
Congrats on Billie's recent 2nd place win at the National Walking Shooting Futurity.Quite a Fete!

pntrookie,
Beautiful dog and looks like he's all business in the field.
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby PntrRookie » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:17 pm

BoJack wrote:pntrookie, Beautiful dog and looks like he's all business in the field.

Yes "she" is :wink: I named her "Deuce" which is historically a male name, but she is my 2nd pointing dog so I thought it was fitting.
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My first is named Rookie...see the trend...trying to come up with something for number 3...maybe Trey (if it is a male) :)
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby x Bred Pointer » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:28 pm

I have a great little 3 yr old pointer out of Beaver Meadow Benjamin that I hunt and guide with here in NB. I also run her in coverdog trials in the NB and New England.
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby BoJack » Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:50 pm

PntrRokkie,
She's the first Chestnut Tricolor I've seen,unusual.
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby PntrRookie » Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:59 pm

BoJack...after I saw my first a few years ago, I told the breeder how much I liked them. He got his hands on this litter and called me...I jumped at it! Here she is after a shave...
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby PntrRookie » Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:34 am

Sorry can't help myself...
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby x Bred Pointer » Thu Apr 23, 2009 10:35 am

Bojack,

I'm trying to post a pic of my Benny girl but might need some help.

http://www.shutterfly.com/lightbox/view ... ad1e0cdff4
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby x Bred Pointer » Thu Apr 23, 2009 10:38 am

I guess if you click on the link on the previois post you will see her point her first woodcock at about 4 months old.
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Re: How About Them Pointer And Setter People?

Postby BoJack » Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:52 pm

Rookie,
She's a Beaut.Will be shaving my girl this weekend.
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