GSP folks

MTBirdHunter · Post by **MTBirdHunter** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:46 pm

How about a GSP topic page. Everyone is always going on and on about setters and EP's. I would like to hear from the GSP folks. I will post pics of "Whistlin Wings swarming caddis", when I am able to get my computers software to work.

Benny · Post by **Benny** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:49 pm

Setter, English Pointer, Britt, Springer, Lab, Retriever, and German Shorthair owners/trainers all have such great advice, though. That would segregate the knowledge. Just my $0.02

PrairieGoat · Post by **PrairieGoat** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:53 pm

I agree.....keep letting the GSP owners and the dog owners play together! We occassionally learn something from them!!!

Post by **ezzy333** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:56 pm

Sporting dogs are gun dogs and we are a gun dog forum. We are not breed specific but welcome everyone to join, take part, learn, and enjoy without having to find a thread that only includes just one breed. We are topic oriented and not breed.

Ezzy

aylaschamp · Post by **aylaschamp** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:02 pm

ezzy333 wrote:Sporting dogs are gun dogs and we are a gun dog forum. We are not breed specific but welcome everyone to join, take part, learn, and enjoy without having to find a thread that only includes just one breed. We are topic oriented and not breed.

Ezzy

No offense but there's a whole 14+ page thread on one breed! I've see threads on setters and all other breeds. Heck Ezzy, I don't mind if you make a Britt thread. Less stuff I have to weed through.

Benny · Post by **Benny** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:11 pm

aylaschamp wrote:Heck Ezzy, I don't mind if you make a Britt thread. Less stuff I have to weed through.

Hahaha!

aylaschamp · Post by **aylaschamp** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:18 pm

When you come to GSPs it's a huge world, different from most of the other pointing breeds. The thread on the breed standard should give you some inclination as to the diversity of the breed. These dogs were originally breed with specific game and purpose in mind. Here in the states we have chosen(some of us) to mold a great breed into a working dog for our situation. The GSP is one of the best breeds to do this with because of the original standards set forth. See, where many are missing the point on the other thread is in this. All dogs serve a purpose. What we as owners and breeders need to determine is whether to develop the breed to suit us or find another. With the GSP it was an easy way to mold a dog into the one we needed. All of the venues out there have different dogs competing, the GSP is doing them all! As far as breed standard, it's just that, a standard! Something to fall back to or build on. Any good breed can use improvement but why is diversity frowned on? One mans game is his and not everyone's. This breed is to great to be confined to one belief. Accept all of them as they are and know it's in the betterment of the breed in general.

Post by **ezzy333** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:00 pm

aylaschamp wrote:When you come to GSPs it's a huge world, different from most of the other pointing breeds. The thread on the breed standard should give you some inclination as to the diversity of the breed. These dogs were originally breed with specific game and purpose in mind. Here in the states we have chosen(some of us) to mold a great breed into a working dog for our situation. The GSP is one of the best breeds to do this with because of the original standards set forth. See, where many are missing the point on the other thread is in this. All dogs serve a purpose. What we as owners and breeders need to determine is whether to develop the breed to suit us or find another. With the GSP it was an easy way to mold a dog into the one we needed. All of the venues out there have different dogs competing, the GSP is doing them all! As far as breed standard, it's just that, a standard! Something to fall back to or build on. Any good breed can use improvement but why is diversity frowned on? One mans game is his and not everyone's. This breed is to great to be confined to one belief. Accept all of them as they are and know it's in the betterment of the breed in general.

The problem is that once everyone breeds to their own wants and desires you no longer have a breed but a whole lot of dogs that were bred from GSp's but no longer are. Some are big, some are little, some are white, some are black, some run real big, some are very slow and close, some don't hunt at all, and some want to chase rabbits , and some want to point birds, some have long hair, some have short hair, and some have a wire coat. All are good dogs and very diversified but have little resemblene to a German Shorthaired Pointer.

Ezzy

aylaschamp · Post by **aylaschamp** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:21 pm

ezzy333 wrote:
aylaschamp wrote:When you come to GSPs it's a huge world, different from most of the other pointing breeds. The thread on the breed standard should give you some inclination as to the diversity of the breed. These dogs were originally breed with specific game and purpose in mind. Here in the states we have chosen(some of us) to mold a great breed into a working dog for our situation. The GSP is one of the best breeds to do this with because of the original standards set forth. See, where many are missing the point on the other thread is in this. All dogs serve a purpose. What we as owners and breeders need to determine is whether to develop the breed to suit us or find another. With the GSP it was an easy way to mold a dog into the one we needed. All of the venues out there have different dogs competing, the GSP is doing them all! As far as breed standard, it's just that, a standard! Something to fall back to or build on. Any good breed can use improvement but why is diversity frowned on? One mans game is his and not everyone's. This breed is to great to be confined to one belief. Accept all of them as they are and know it's in the betterment of the breed in general.
The problem is that once everyone breeds to their own wants and desires you no longer have a breed but a whole lot of dogs that were bred from GSp's but no longer are. Some are big, some are little, some are white, some are black, some run real big, some are very slow and close, some don't hunt at all, and some want to chase rabbits , and some want to point birds, some have long hair, some have short hair, and some have a wire coat. All are good dogs and very diversified but have little resemblene to a German Shorthaired Pointer.

Ezzy

ok, take exactly what you said and leave out the color and apply it to the Britts! Same goes! You'd have to take a few of your statements off for the GSPs though. And hey, with the presant situation in power, diversity is the key to our solution!

Post by **ezzy333** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:46 pm

ok, take exactly what you said and leave out the color and apply it to the Britts! Same goes! You'd have to take a few of your statements off for the GSPs though. And hey, with the presant situation in power, diversity is the key to our solution!

Take exactly what I said and you do not have to leave out the color and it is true of Brits and every other breed. With out a standard you do not have a breed. And in dogs diversity is good, thats why we have over a 100 recognized breeds and 20 or 25 of those are sporting dogs. I found one I really liked and have bred them for almost fifty years now. But there are a lot of great breeds with a lot of great dogs in each. Let hope and pray we can keep all of them since they should fill the wants of anyone wanting a sporting dog in their life.

Ezzy

Ditch__Parrot · Post by **Ditch__Parrot** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:57 pm

ezzy333 wrote:The problem is that once everyone breeds to their own wants and desires you no longer have a breed but a whole lot of dogs that were bred from GSp's but no longer are. Some are big, some are little, some are white, some are black, some run real big, some are very slow and close, some don't hunt at all, and some want to chase rabbits , and some want to point birds, some have long hair, some have short hair, and some have a wire coat. All are good dogs and very diversified but have little resemblene to a German Shorthaired Pointer.

Ezzy

Sounds like you just described GSPs & GWPs

I can just picture some brittany lover, a long time ago, wondering what in the world those crazy Germans were doing mixing all those breeds together trying to get an all around hunting dog that could suit the needs of just about any hunter. "We have specialist for any kind of hunting you want. Why would you want some mongrel to do them all" LOL

I think diversity within the breed is ok. I also see no fault in the open registration practices of the AKC. If you don't like it don't buy it. It's a consumer driven market. AKC registration provides proof that the parents are who they say they are and combats fraud. Breeders have the FREEDOM to breed what they think is the best GSP, and the buyer has the FREEDOM to choose rather or not they agree. And furthermore if you happen to want a GSP from a controlled and closed registraion you can still get one in this great country of ours. Its called a DK

Breed standards seem somewhat of an afterthought and are subject to change according to consumer demand.

aylaschamp · Post by **aylaschamp** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:01 am

Sadie__Marie wrote:
ezzy333 wrote:The problem is that once everyone breeds to their own wants and desires you no longer have a breed but a whole lot of dogs that were bred from GSp's but no longer are. Some are big, some are little, some are white, some are black, some run real big, some are very slow and close, some don't hunt at all, and some want to chase rabbits , and some want to point birds, some have long hair, some have short hair, and some have a wire coat. All are good dogs and very diversified but have little resemblene to a German Shorthaired Pointer.

Ezzy
Sounds like you just described GSPs & GWPs

I can just picture some brittany lover, a long time ago, wondering what in the world those crazy Germans were doing mixing all those breeds together trying to get an all around hunting dog that could suit the needs of just about any hunter. "We have specialist for any kind of hunting you want. Why would you want some mongrel to do them all" LOL

I think diversity within the breed is ok. I also see no fault in the open registration practices of the AKC. If you don't like it don't buy it. It's a consumer driven market. AKC registration provides proof that the parents are who they say they are and combats fraud. Breeders have the FREEDOM to breed what they think is the best GSP, and the buyer has the FREEDOM to choose rather or not they agree. And furthermore if you happen to want a GSP from a controlled and closed registraion you can still get one in this great country of ours. Its called a DK

Breed standards seem somewhat of an afterthought and are subject to change according to consumer demand.

Wonderful post!

aylaschamp · Post by **aylaschamp** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:05 am

picks of mine!

R-Heaton · Post by **R-Heaton** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:20 am

Wow,,,, how much does that dog weight? Looks like a powerfull animal?

aylaschamp · Post by **aylaschamp** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:26 am

R-Heaton wrote:Wow,,,, how much does that dog weight? Looks like a powerfull animal?

lol, I'm 5'3" any dog next to me will look HUGE! He's 61 pounds though, on the big side. He can run though and is only a year and a half in that last pic.

Same dog backing, for size comparison.

Sandy at a NSTRA trial holding to shot:

Ditch__Parrot · Post by **Ditch__Parrot** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:27 am

My Girls

aylaschamp · Post by **aylaschamp** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:40 am

Daisy is an amazingly beautiful girl!

Ditch__Parrot · Post by **Ditch__Parrot** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:01 am

aylaschamp wrote:Daisy is an amazingly beautiful girl!

Thank you for the compliment. That boy of yours is a bit of a looker himself.

kerplunk105 · Post by **kerplunk105** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:32 am

Just joined, 6mo GSP

Leena

aylaschamp · Post by **aylaschamp** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:05 pm

Sadie__Marie wrote:
Thank you for the compliment. That boy of yours is a bit of a looker himself.

You were talking about the dog, right????

lol

Ditch__Parrot · Post by **Ditch__Parrot** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:21 pm

aylaschamp wrote:
Sadie__Marie wrote:
Thank you for the compliment. That boy of yours is a bit of a looker himself.
You were talking about the dog, right???? lol

umm YA

I'll rephrase that. That Liver & White GSP of yours is a nice looking dog also

Ditch__Parrot · Post by **Ditch__Parrot** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:25 pm

Kerplunk105 welcome to the forum. Nice first post. Everybody likes pictures here. Is that a stuffed pheasant she's chewing up ? LOL Nice Pics. Good looking pup

kerplunk105 · Post by **kerplunk105** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:27 pm

Sadie__Marie wrote:Kerplunk105 welcome to the forum. Nice first post. Everybody likes pictures here. Is that a stuffed pheasant she's chewing up ? LOL Nice Pics. Good looking pup

Thank you. Its good people like pictures, I love taking them. I usually try and restrain myself from posting tons and tons.

Yes..its a pheasant. I saw it and thought it was quite appropriate for her

aylaschamp · Post by **aylaschamp** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:34 pm

Sadie__Marie wrote:Kerplunk105 welcome to the forum. Nice first post. Everybody likes pictures here. Is that a stuffed pheasant she's chewing up ? LOL Nice Pics. Good looking pup

I second that! What are you feeding? It's coat is amazingly shiny.

Ditch__Parrot · Post by **Ditch__Parrot** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:35 pm

I gave one of those to my older dog when she was a pup. She carried it around for along time. Then one day she shook it untill the head popped off then quickly dug all the stuffing out of it. I remember thinking , I hope she doesn't do that to the real pheasants.

It hasn't been a problem

kerplunk105 · Post by **kerplunk105** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:43 pm

Leena destroys all of her stuffed toys eventually. The pheasants head was off in a matter of minutes.

Thank you! She eats a mixture of California Natural Chicken&Rice for Puppy and Healthwise Chicken&Rice Active Adult. She also gets fish oil supplements, (2000mg/day).

PntrRookie · Post by **PntrRookie** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:48 pm

I am an equal opportunist. I will give my ol' boy his props...even though I posted his "house-mate" on the setter/pointer thread...

Rookie 1xNSTRA CH - WI Regional CH

aylaschamp · Post by **aylaschamp** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:18 pm

Man! Rookie is one well built dog as well! Question for all you GSP people, I know what I like as far as heads on my dogs but the "breed standard" and what I'm seeing in dogs now are a bit troubling. It might be my preferences overshadowing "breed standard" I'm not sure. It seems a bunch of dogs heads don't fit there body? Anyone else see what I'm seeing? Without talking trash about any ones dog, especially mine!

PrairieGoat · Post by **PrairieGoat** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:54 pm

ezzy333 wrote:The problem is that once everyone breeds to their own wants and desires you no longer have a breed but a whole lot of dogs that were bred from GSp's but no longer are. Some are big, some are little, some are white, some are black, some run real big, some are very slow and close, some don't hunt at all, and some want to chase rabbits , and some want to point birds, some have long hair, some have short hair, and some have a wire coat. All are good dogs and very diversified but have little resemblene to a German Shorthaired Pointer.

Even with Ezzy's attempt to hijack us back to the old "standards" argument.....errr....thread, we've succeeded in taking over and posting GSP pictures!!!

Now we're talking......I'm off looking through my files as I type....been awhile since I posted some pics of the "boys"!

Randy

aylaschamp · Post by **aylaschamp** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:08 pm

Someone get Ohiogsp to post some of his male! He's a looker as well.

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:21 pm

Brother.

Sister.

PrairieGoat · Post by **PrairieGoat** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:32 pm

Did someone order GSP pictures?!? Great pictures everyone! Here's my contribution.....

PntrRookie · Post by **PntrRookie** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:52 pm

aylaschamp wrote:It seems a bunch of dogs heads don't fit there body? Anyone else see what I'm seeing? Without talking trash about any ones dog, especially mine!

I understand where you are coming from. I actually did not look back through this thread, but since I switched to the "dark side" (a shag) I actually notice the different head structures more in the setters than I did with the GSPs. There are know setter studs (VERY well known) that seem to throw certain heads. Some good, some, not to my liking, but when you see one, you have a pretty good idea where they come from.

Now aylaschamp, if you are referring to the top picture of Rookie...where he is stacked...I am CRANKING on his collar - almost flattening his head.

Sorry for the size...

aylaschamp · Post by **aylaschamp** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:25 pm

OK, I couldn't resist.........................

Yes, the dogs actually have their own bed!

Best for last!

PrairieGoat · Post by **PrairieGoat** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:31 pm

Yup....that's pretty much the way it is around our house....except ours don't have their own bed.....or maybe they do, but we just sleep in it!!! Pictures like those capture the nature of the GSP just as much as any hunting picture!

Randy

PS....here's my contribution to the "House Dog" collection.....and don't say it.....Boo and I don't do mornings well!!!

limited out · Post by **limited out** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:55 pm

Prairie Goat, those are fine looking dogs! Very athletic and stylish looking bird dogs.

Here's my male Zeb....

His first point 6 weeks old...

First Pheasant Hunt, 5 months old...

And, the present time....

Good old Shorthairs..... nothing else like them!

Prairie Hunter · Post by **Prairie Hunter** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:24 pm

Lantz,

I love that last picture of Zeb. What intensity!

Aylascham - I think everyone has their preference of head type. I like the blockier heads like the old Wildburg & Hege-Haus dogs. Here's a picture of my old boy.

Phillip

kerplunk105 · Post by **kerplunk105** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:48 am

Some more of Leena yesterday on our walk. I adopted her. So, we arent sure of her lineage.

Way out there

AHGSP · Post by **AHGSP** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:46 am

Sadie Marie's Daddy Dalin:

And 1 of her Mom Jersey:

kerplunk105 · Post by **kerplunk105** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:28 am

I already want another GSP. They are quite addicting. Plus, I need a dog that can keep up with Leena

My Labrador is 9 and has never been one of those very energetic types

markj · Post by **markj** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:20 am

What kind of dog is that white one with the yellow ears? Very nice looking dog there. All look nice, now I long for a hunt

kerplunk105 · Post by **kerplunk105** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:56 am

markj wrote:What kind of dog is that white one with the yellow ears? Very nice looking dog there. All look nice, now I long for a hunt

Looks almost like a lemon and white.

markj · Post by **markj** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:02 pm

Lemon and white what? Setter or pointer?

Wagonmaster, does that dog have a white left ear there? or is it the lighting?

wems2371 · Post by **wems2371** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:22 pm

Lemon and white what?

GSP

http://www.gundogforum.com/forum/viewto ... &sk=t&sd=a

BigShooter · Post by **BigShooter** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:22 pm

markj wrote: Wagonmaster, does that dog have a white left ear there? or is it the lighting?

That's white hair on the left ear.

markj · Post by **markj** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:37 pm

Very interesting I must say. Never saw that color in a shorthair.

PrairieGoat · Post by **PrairieGoat** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:46 pm

limited out wrote:Prairie Goat, those are fine looking dogs! Very athletic and stylish looking bird dogs.....
Good old Shorthairs..... nothing else like them!

Thanks Lantz!!! Zeb's a sharp looking GSP as well...I do love that last pose! Your last statement says it all!!!

Randy

aylaschamp · Post by **aylaschamp** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:01 pm

PntrRookie wrote: Now aylaschamp, if you are referring to the top picture of Rookie...where he is stacked...I am CRANKING on his collar - almost flattening his head.

That was not my intention, he's an awesome looking dog. I have seen others GSPs that have a smaller and what I call a "pencil" head. My dog, Sandy, has one but she is also a very small in frame dog so it doesn't look that off to me.

Prairie Hunter wrote:
Aylascham - I think everyone has their preference of head type. I like the blockier heads like the old Wildburg & Hege-Haus dogs.

Phillip

I'm with you!

markj wrote:Very interesting I must say. Never saw that color in a shorthair.

Not many have. I've tried to explain the color many times and a picture just doesn't do it. A few members on this board have seen her in person and she looks way different in reality than in a pic. Here are a few more like her.

I have more pics of other dogs but in fear of ramifications would rather not post them. I know of several litters across the country with similar outcomes and no similar breeding. All of the dogs are marked the same!

You can see the roaning better in this pic

I usually don't post much on her because it stirs a can of worms but here she is in her first open NSTRA trial a few months back. She had a 4-4 and a back and took a 3rd. I only ran her that one brace the whole weekend. These are pics from that trial.

I was so proud of my pup here, she did better than I would have ever expected.

And even got to ride in the front seat on the way home (for a little while, then I threw her back in the trailer) :roll:

aylaschamp · Post by **aylaschamp** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:15 pm

I had to post this one as well, I love it!

And this is why I like GSPs!

briarpatch · Post by **briarpatch** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:18 pm

Since the GSP folks are throwing a few pictures out there.. I probably have a couple hidden away I havn't thrown out there before for y'all to check out....

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Cal's disappointment is noticable in his expression in the above photo as he must sit in the field and wait to be released (he is saying dad there's birds out there let me go please!! with that look)

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