Gun Dog Forum

Okay everyone, I'm opening up the phone lines on my radio show to let callers vent on the hot issues among outdoorsmen. So, what are they? Thanks.

road hunters

Ok, where do the 55,000 pheasant released each year on NJ State Land go? LOL

:roll:

Gun dog breeds bred for the show ring.

FLocker wrote:Gun dog breeds bred for the show ring.

The very concept that a gun dog breed can be declared a "Champion" without ever practically demonstrating the qualities of a gun dog. Trotting around a show ring does not a gun dog make.

Greg J.

mcbosco wrote:Ok, where do the 55,000 pheasant released each year on NJ State Land go? LOL

:roll:

In Ohio, they are bagged in the first day when the vast mob cleans them up.

I stumbed into this one time. I was with my son deer hunting. The mob started lining up when it was still pitch dark. We fled. Drove by where most were parked. It looked like the parking lot at a Cincinnati Bengals home game. Campers, grills, people "tail gating", etc.

To me, it's not much like hunting,

Greg J

Thanks guys,

Now tell me how you REALLY feel!

Loss of access to properties due to the leasing of grounds to those with money to spare... To me, this has led to the ruination of hunting as a the sport.

Greg Jennings wrote:

FLocker wrote:Gun dog breeds bred for the show ring.

The very concept that a gun dog breed can be declared a "Champion" without ever practically demonstrating the qualities of a gun dog. Trotting around a show ring does not a gun dog make.

Greg J.

The very concept that a gun dog breed can be declared a "Champion" without ever practically demonstrating the qualities of a breed standard. Running around a field does not a German Shorthaired Pointer make.


We are showing our shortcomings when we forget to look and test the complete package, without any one quality outweighing the others.

Ezzy

I detest the guy who gets his first bird dog, doesnt know how to train it but the dog still turns out decent. Then the guy starts thinking he needs to get a female to breed that dog to cause he know's what he is doing as a breeder! Boy that chaps my hide!

FLocker wrote:Gun dog breeds bred for the show ring.

They are declared Conformation Champions only. I don't have a problem with it.

The effect that PETA, HSUS and local dog breeding legislation will have going forward on our gun dog breeds...and the sport of pure bred dogs.

Sharon wrote:

FLocker wrote:Gun dog breeds bred for the show ring.

They are declared Conformation Champions only. I don't have a problem with it.

I have three problems:

1. Every other championship is "<qualifier> Champion". Only the conformation champion is "Champion" unqualified.

2. Qualify on the Line. Some of the breed clubs, at some trials, usually the bigger ones, require the dogs to be judged as within the breed standard before being allowed to run in the trial. There is no reciprocal arrangement for the conformation shows.

3. The "trends" that occur within the conformation community that are antithetical to the function of the dogs. Where form departs from function. Like the *monstrous* size of the show labs and the like.

Greg Jennings wrote:

Sharon wrote:

FLocker wrote:Gun dog breeds bred for the show ring.

They are declared Conformation Champions only. I don't have a problem with it.

I have three problems:

1. Every other championship is "<qualifier> Champion". Only the conformation champion is "Champion" unqualified.

2. Qualify on the Line. Some of the breed clubs, at some trials, usually the bigger ones, require the dogs to be judged as within the breed standard before being allowed to run in the trial. There is no reciprocal arrangement for the conformation shows.

3. The "trends" that occur within the conformation community that are antithetical to the function of the dogs. Where form departs from function. Like the *monstrous* size of the show labs and the like.

I go to Westminster every year and its amazing what a bench Lab looks like now!!!! They are hardly taller than a Basset Hound, this big hulk of a body, no neck and no legs. While I cant opine on the hunting talents of the sporting breeds at that show, I didn't see anything to complain about other than the Labs.

mcbosco wrote:
I go to Westminster every year and its amazing what a bench Lab looks like now!!!! They are hardly taller than a Basset Hound, this big hulk of a body, no neck and no legs. While I cant opine on the hunting talents of the sporting breeds at that show, I didn't see anything to complain about other than the Labs.

Did you take in the Dog classes for Gordon Setters? They look a new breed of Longhaired Black Angus calves. The could have called them Scottish Highlanders, but that name was already taken.

I'm quite sure 4H will have a class for them in the not so distant future.

Definately need to expose the wakos that are trying to stop hunting,pet ownership, meat eating, via legsilsation. Dogs, land, guns. ETC. Tort reform to make them pay for loosing their battles they are trying to bankrupt our organizations.
PETA, HUSU, Wild life federation, green peace etc.
Exposing more children to hunting, fishing, photography, dogs, hiking, helping others. Good sportsmanship, good ethics, respect for the land owners and other hunters regardless of the dogs they have, the games they play, the quarry they have opportunity to hunt.

You know when I wrote that I remembered the Setters were a bit overdone on the coat-side, LOL, but I was getting ready for the after party at that point

Wyndancer, that is a BEAUTIFUL dog!

Interesting thoughts on the subject.

I go to one "famous' conformation show a year. I do feel badly for the German Shepherd who is now walking on his hocks. I think the GSPs , Brittanys , hounds and terriers look magnificent.

Ok, where do the 55,000 pheasant released each year on NJ State Land go? LOL

check some of the guys that run with my dogs freezers

preditors would be the serious answer
Owls/ Hawks / Coyotes I think

the real question for NJ should be what can we do to bring back the wild bobwhite population
these guys and gals claim to be working on it
http://www.njquailproject.org/

Redtail Hawks. Had two of them on seperate occasions dive bomb my downed bird last year. Seems as though every other telephone pole in Iowa has one perched on it. If it was only legal.

Leases on property and taken away from the majority for the benefit of the few.

Pepper

Pepper, reminds me of another one.
Not much we can do about it but. They have the right to do as they want.

Folks buying land and posting it. Meaning they don't live here, they have no camp here. They post it just so folks can't hunt. VIA Roxanne Quimby, Chellie Pingree etc. They are buying up tracts all around the state from hurting paper companies, farmers and from old family tracts.

The others are the ones that post their land with hunting by permission only and never ever give permission to anyone.

I always ask for permission posted or not but on these larger tracts that the paper companies owned you never ever had to ask except if you were doing a bear baiting station, then permits and permission was needed.

I like the way the paper companies work.

twofeathers wrote:Redtail Hawks. Had two of them on seperate occasions dive bomb my downed bird last year. Seems as though every other telephone pole in Iowa has one perched on it. If it was only legal.

I had a peregrine falcon take my planted bird before the dog could work it. :roll: