Riggins White Knight
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Riggins White Knight
Anybody have any idea how close you can breed to this dog.
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Re: Riggins White Knight
Natural or AI?
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Re: Riggins White Knight
Now there is a dog I remeber running back when I was playing with my Brits. He and Red Water Rex were two of the best I have seen.Rich Heaton wrote:Anybody have any idea how close you can breed to this dog.
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Re: Riggins White Knight
Wouldn't matter natural or AI,,, AI probably would get closer. PM's welcome
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I think Rich is talking about 8 year old CH. Riggin's White Knight. The original Riggins White Knight won the National Championship in 1968 and Red Water Rex won in 1970 if I remember correctly.
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Re: Riggins White Knight
That would be the one,,,,,,,,I am hoping somebody would have a dog of the early 80's that would be line breed RWK and some frozen juice left.BigShooter wrote:The original Riggins White Knight won the National Championship in 1968
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Rich,Rich Heaton wrote:That would be the one,,,,,,,,I am hoping somebody would have a dog of the early 80's that would be line breed RWK and some frozen juice left.BigShooter wrote:The original Riggins White Knight won the National Championship in 1968
Did you try to contact D. Hoyle Eaton? nannyb@tsixroads.com
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Rich, my experienc is that it's easier to call Hoyle than email here is his wesite and his number should be on the contact tab, or if not in the back of the field.
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Yea I have talked with him,,,, he's pretty high on Sir Lancelot these days. Mostly has that currently bred about a hundred different ways.
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If you hadn't talked with him already, I thought he might know someone with some straws from an early 80's dog that'd work for you. Good luck!
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Rich,
I know Herb Anderson is knows a lot of guys including Hoyle and might know someoone with that blood. Heck Herb may have even seen RWK run
I know Herb Anderson is knows a lot of guys including Hoyle and might know someoone with that blood. Heck Herb may have even seen RWK run
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Re: Riggins White Knight
Rich,
Yeah, i talked with Hoyle a few years back and he told me if he could have collected from White Knight and Red Water Rex, he could have already retired, then he chuckled.
I'm not sure if they were capable of collecting back in the 70's, or if they could and just didn't do it.
He is very high on Sir Lancelot. I have seen the dog run a few times, and he's a nice, nice dog. I think he may take advantage some of Hoyle now. But, he's got a motor and he's nice. But, i'm not sure how he's producing. He's been bred a lot. Some folks are happy with what they get out of him, and then some are not.
Miller's Chief seemed to have plenty of White Knight in him. It was a few generations back, but the pedigree was pretty heavy White Knight.
I just don't know of anything up close to Whight Knight. It's been 40 years.
Yeah, i talked with Hoyle a few years back and he told me if he could have collected from White Knight and Red Water Rex, he could have already retired, then he chuckled.
I'm not sure if they were capable of collecting back in the 70's, or if they could and just didn't do it.
He is very high on Sir Lancelot. I have seen the dog run a few times, and he's a nice, nice dog. I think he may take advantage some of Hoyle now. But, he's got a motor and he's nice. But, i'm not sure how he's producing. He's been bred a lot. Some folks are happy with what they get out of him, and then some are not.
Miller's Chief seemed to have plenty of White Knight in him. It was a few generations back, but the pedigree was pretty heavy White Knight.
I just don't know of anything up close to Whight Knight. It's been 40 years.
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Thanks Brett,, yea I know its been awhile,,, what I was actually hoping for is somebody that line breed (inbreed) RWK or RWR up to the 80's or so and then collected. So at best you would see alot of it 4 generations back. The best I can find now is just once 5 to 6 generations back.
Millers Chief would be a good one,,,, I hear he threw some monster dogs. We had a litter out here 10 to 15 years ago that were 70lbs dogs and just as mean as could be,,,, but they were tough, ran all over the country and could find birds when others couldn't.
I could deal with the meanness,,, but ya get a softy scout like I got and they would have'em torn up hid'n under the trailer by noon time.
Millers Chief would be a good one,,,, I hear he threw some monster dogs. We had a litter out here 10 to 15 years ago that were 70lbs dogs and just as mean as could be,,,, but they were tough, ran all over the country and could find birds when others couldn't.
I could deal with the meanness,,, but ya get a softy scout like I got and they would have'em torn up hid'n under the trailer by noon time.
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Re: Riggins White Knight
Rich,
I dont have Rail Dancers ped in front of me but I think his momma Native Dancer was doublebred RWK....through White Knights Button on top and a RWK bitch on the bottom side I think.......
Just a thought,
Chip
I dont have Rail Dancers ped in front of me but I think his momma Native Dancer was doublebred RWK....through White Knights Button on top and a RWK bitch on the bottom side I think.......
Just a thought,
Chip
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Thanks Chip,,,,, I bet I know who could tell me for sure,,, lol. Where is Ross these days?
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Re: Riggins White Knight
There isn't that was just a screw up on a pedigree at a kennel's site.BoJack wrote:Didn't know there was Another Ch Riggins White Knight?
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...nevermind.
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Re: Riggins White Knight
chief honcho and Ch chief honcho joe dunno if their still around or collected?
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Birddog,,,, anything else you can tell me about these two dogs,,,,, PM is fine. Thanks
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Not really unfortunately, although I can ask some of my sources here at home.
Take a look at my white dogs pedigree on top. I can post one generation further back later when
I have more time.
Take a look at my white dogs pedigree on top. I can post one generation further back later when
I have more time.
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Re: Riggins White Knight
Millers dogs are close that blood . Ferrel Miller was breading that you like.
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Re: Riggins White Knight
There was a guy named Tom Hopkins from Sumpter, SC that was doing some breeding to RWK back in the early 70s but that'd be, as someone already said, "like chasing a ghost".
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Rich,
You may find this an interesting read about statistical measures for RWK, other notable dogs of his day and their offspring: http://www.fieldtrialpointers.net/PBA.HTML
You may find this an interesting read about statistical measures for RWK, other notable dogs of his day and their offspring: http://www.fieldtrialpointers.net/PBA.HTML
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Rich,
P.S. I wonder if you got ahold of Frank Thompson on Facebook if he might have some leads from his research materials to help you with your wild goose chase .... er .... research.
Hey, let us know if you find what you're looking for.
P.S. I wonder if you got ahold of Frank Thompson on Facebook if he might have some leads from his research materials to help you with your wild goose chase .... er .... research.
Hey, let us know if you find what you're looking for.
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Re: Riggins White Knight
White Knight, Red Water Rex and Arkansas Ranger three way crosses were hard to beat. This is Hoyle Eaton's bread and butter and later Ferrel Millers, thousands of good gundogs go back to this also. Wasn't there Dunn's Fearless Bud frozen semen?
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Thanks everybody for the replies. Still haven't found anything super cool.
Would a Grandson of Bill's Hustler bring any attention?
Would a Grandson of Bill's Hustler bring any attention?
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Re: Riggins White Knight
Rich, what do you have working up that sleeve of yours man?....Let me guess does he have Buddy in his name?
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I keep tellin' him I've got the perfect All Age pug here, a performer and a producer, but he's got no vision for the future, can only see where he's been. Someday it'll be looked on as pure genius...cut loose one dog, carry two more in your pockets.
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I'm pretty sure you can throw in Oklahoma Flush as well. I think Miller's Ladybird is off of him, maybe it's her dam.Big Dave wrote:White Knight, Red Water Rex and Arkansas Ranger three way crosses were hard to beat.
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