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Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:15 pm**

My training partner and I was having a discusion today regarding these two dogs as to wich one was more stylish and we could not agree. So, I would appreciate some help from the forum members on there views if you have time.
BTW, one is line bred Honky Tonk Attitude and the other is Crows Little Joe.

Thank You

First Choice

Second Choice

Thanks Again for Your Time

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:18 pm**

I vote for #2

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:19 pm**

They are much alike and very nice but I would vote for the first one if I have to choose and I'm betting that is the HTA dog. But as you know they both are very nice in these pics.

Ezzy

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:23 pm**

Splittin' hairs my friend

Number 1 gets my vote

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:24 pm**

I meant to add that this is how these dogs point, some times better but not worse (un-stroked). A typical find for these two girls and I can post flashier pictures but this is their norm.

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:25 pm**

Seeing them move would tell the story, I don't think of style in just pointing terms....its the whole package.

Nice pictures !

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:29 pm**

They are both classy/pretty moving dogs and long gaited but one does have more range.

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:31 pm**

#2 is my choice. Much more intensity and, as you know, that is what makes style in my eyes.

Both are great pics!

Charlie

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:50 pm**

Not meaning to ruffle any feathers here, but #2 gets my vote. #1 just looks like a dog standing tall and not pointing. jmo

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:55 pm**

3Britts wrote:Not meaning to ruffle any feathers here, but #2 gets my vote. #1 just looks like a dog standing tall and not pointing. jmo

I value everyone's opinion, not possible to ruffle feathers. Thanks for taking the time to express your opinion

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Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:09 pm**

The one with the better nose.

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:10 pm**

Both are good looking dogs, but I like #2---seems a little more intense than the other one---I like dogs that lean into the bird and look like they are ready to explode

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:12 pm**

Ron None

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:14 pm**

I am voting for #1......but hard to tell from just a picture if a dog is "stylish"....IMO

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:15 pm**

Dave Quindt wrote:The one with the better nose.

Dave, I will put you down for #1. Thanks

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:19 pm**

My vote is dog numero uno. Your #1 has a head kinda like my departed "Brownie" dog in my avatar. Gotta love the liver half mask.

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:22 pm**

kbshorthairs wrote:......but hard to tell from just a picture if a dog is "stylish"....IMO

NICE AVATAR, but hard to tell if your dog is stylish

. Very nice advatar...............Honky Tonk Bred

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Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:39 pm**

prairiefirepointers wrote:Gotta love the liver half mask.

Thanks for your time but they both are half masked...........The very best dogs that I have ever owned have been half masked(thank goodness that they weren't elhew bred or they might have been culled). One of them just died recenttly

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Rawlings Coupe De Ville (Coop) http://www.nstra.org/Members/detail.asp?idnum=22366

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:39 pm**

That avatar pic was taken just after she turned four months old on some quail.........the jury is still out whether she is "stylish" or not.

I am sure she is out of a pointer......no short tailed dog would ever be worth having!

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:42 pm**

kbshorthairs wrote:......no short tailed dog would ever be worth having!

No wiser words have ever been spoken

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Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:46 pm**

HA!!!

I bet there are one or two people on this forum that might disagree. Just for the record, which one of the dogs in the pics is yours?

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:01 pm**

kbshorthairs wrote:Just for the record, which one of the dogs in the pics is yours?

One IS and one WAS............ Rawlings Copper Jordan vs. Rawlings Bedtime Bugsy

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Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:23 pm**

Ron, i like #1. Is one of those gyps the one you had pups out of?

Mike

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:48 pm**

birdogg42 wrote:Is one of those gyps the one you had pups out of?

Nope, but some day

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:52 pm**

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:01 pm**

Is it bad that those dogs look like identical twins to me?

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:25 pm**

I will ruffle feathers. Not even a horse race there. #2 blows the doors off #1. 12 tail vs about 10, both have high heads...enough said.

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:29 pm**

Number 2 for me also! Gotta love the blood streaks on her side. That shows me she has plenty of tail action and loves what she's doing!

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:31 pm**

It is not a fair comparison. #1 is distracted by the camera. Both nice dogs. In terms of the pictures, then #2.

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:40 pm**

Pointers_31 wrote:Gotta love the blood streaks on her side. That shows me she has plenty of tail action and loves what she's doing!

Please, don't let that make your pick because everybodies pointer looks like that after a short time in certain conditions.

Thanks

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:50 pm**

Thank You To ALL for your response but I still don't know how is winning. I swear that this is a real debate and I'm not trying to draw attention to my crappy dogs.

I heavily favor one of them but I do love and appreciate everybody's boredome

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THANKS

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:08 pm**

PkerStr8Tail wrote:I will ruffle feathers. Not even a horse race there. #2 blows the doors off #1. 12 tail vs about 10, both have high heads...enough said.

Your STUCK UP.....You have a CASH dog

. He seems to throw style and nose into all of his pups and they pass it on.

Her is mine

Hot nosed dog and this is how she stands them...But if you touch her she will tick

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Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:21 pm**

I vote for number two Ron.

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:24 pm**

I want a dog that is intense not only with body but also eyes. Want to see them staring a hole in the spot where the bird is. When they get the head that high it looks like they are just telling you there is a bird up there someplace if you want to go look for it. Probably just me but that intense stare is a great deal of the style in a point.

Ezzy

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:33 pm**

ezzy333 wrote: When they get the head that high it looks like they are just telling you there is a bird up there someplace if you want to go look for it. Probably just me but that intense stare is a great deal of the style in a point.

Ezzy

That's almost always what someone says that's never hunted over a dog that points with a high head or with head crank.....I can assure you there is never a problem finding the bird, don't need a dog staring at the ground to know there is a bird ahead, and to flush it.

The bird is always upwind, higher the head usually the closer it is.

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:36 pm**

I have one that points that way and it is ok especially from a distance looks really nice but I love the intensity of the stare and doesn't matter much if the front end is low as long as the rear is high. Love that look.

Ezzy

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:40 pm**

ezzy333 wrote:I want a dog that is intense not only with body but also eyes. Want to see them staring a hole in the spot where the bird is. When they get the head that high it looks like they are just telling you there is a bird up there someplace if you want to go look for it. Probably just me but that intense stare is a great deal of the style in a point.

Ezzy

Al
I don't know why any of my dogs do that because I don't barrel train or encourage it (too lazy and not sure how). I breed for High drive, Strong nose, brains, style, in order. Regardless of the picture they are equally intense on point.

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:27 pm**

ezzy333 wrote:I want a dog that is intense not only with body but also eyes. Want to see them staring a hole in the spot where the bird is. When they get the head that high it looks like they are just telling you there is a bird up there someplace if you want to go look for it. Probably just me but that intense stare is a great deal of the style in a point.

Ezzy

Ezzy, I agree with you 100%. That doesn't mean that I don't like the looks of a high head and high tail but to me there is something really neat about a dog that gets those laser eyes going and points so intensely that they tremble.

That all being said to me I like #1 but thats just my personal uneducated opinion.

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:50 pm**

Ron R wrote:
PkerStr8Tail wrote:I will ruffle feathers. Not even a horse race there. #2 blows the doors off #1. 12 tail vs about 10, both have high heads...enough said.
Your STUCK UP.....You have a CASH dog . He seems to throw style and nose into all of his pups and they pass it on.

This one is not out of Cash. We found her backing my male looking like this. Not bad style for a back.

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:50 pm**

The one that doesn't run the Mule track.....oh, they both do

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:31 pm**

Number One. But it may just be because she's wearing less jewelry.

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:22 pm**

I vote for #2 looks like she reaching out for it, I have britts and one HTA pointer its cool to see him all cranked up when on point or backing To me it don't matter how they point high head high tail low head low tail whatever heck to me there all pretty on point !

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:32 pm**

# 2 looks like she's asleep on point.# 1's head style is about the limit for me.Wouldn't own one of them high Head Crank dogs,looks unatural and stupid to me,like they're pointing crows in the sky or something.No offense meant to anyone,some like em some don't.

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:34 pm**

BoJack wrote:# 2 looks like she's asleep on point.# 1's head style is about the limit for me.Wouldn't own one of them high Head Crank dogs,looks unatural and stupid to me,like they're pointing crows in the sky or something.No offense meant to anyone,some like em some don't.

Agree completely

Ezzy

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:55 pm**

Ron R wrote:
prairiefirepointers wrote:Gotta love the liver half mask.
Thanks for your time but they both are half masked...........The very best dogs that I have ever owned have been half masked(thank goodness that they weren't elhew bred or they might have been culled). One of them just died recenttly .

Rawlings Coupe De Ville (Coop) http://www.nstra.org/Members/detail.asp?idnum=22366

Sorry, Captian. Won't happen again.
It looks like only one has a half liver mask in your OP pics. Perhaps a better photo would have spawned a more accurate reply from me.

I compliment your dog, and did I read a slam Elhews?!

My poor ol Elhew meat dogs pee excellence, point birds, and look darn good doin it.. That's all I care about.

Posted: **Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:17 am**

Both are good lookin' dogs but I like #2 just a little more. Thanks for sharing!

Posted: **Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:54 am**

prairiefirepointers wrote: and did I read a slam Elhews?!

My poor ol Elhew meat dogs pee excellence, point birds, and look darn good doin it.. That's all I care about.

It was a friendly Elhew slam, We own two of them and they are nice

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Posted: **Sun Jan 16, 2011 10:52 pm**

Wow Ron, I'd take either in my string, but #2 has a slight edge.

Posted: **Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:12 pm**

I would like to see them moving as well.

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