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Question for GSP'ers

Post by snips » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:17 am

Rick asked me a question I thought was very thought provoking...If you could get frozen semen from any of the past dogs who would it be...? I know who I answered without much thought...How bout you guys?
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Post by Cajun Casey » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:38 am

Top three: Ruffy, Axel, Tell.

There are some foundation bitches I'd rather clone, though.
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Elhew Snakefoot, Miller's Silver Bullet and Honky Tonk Attitude :D :D :D I couldn't resist.

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Post by Cajun Casey » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:52 am

ElhewPointer wrote:Elhew Snakefoot, Miller's Silver Bullet and Honky Tonk Attitude :D :D :D I couldn't resist.
The last one is wrong. It should be Fiddler's Ace. Damage was done by the time Bull came along. :mrgreen:
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Blue Earth Rex, Dixie Land Rusty,Dixie Land Luke. :)

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snips wrote:Rick asked me a question I thought was very thought provoking...If you could get frozen semen from any of the past dogs who would it be...? I know who I answered without much thought...How bout you guys?

Brenda who did you say? What about Rick?

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Post by Firemedic » Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:11 am

Hands down Crosswind Truckin Fritz. I have 3 males out of him that are nothing short of amazing. Two are under a year and a half and have a lot of promise.

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Post by CHJIII » Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:35 am

Cajun Casey wrote:Top three: Ruffy, Axel, Tell.

There are some foundation bitches I'd rather clone, though.

You forgot your favorite.......Slick


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CHJIII wrote:
Cajun Casey wrote:Top three: Ruffy, Axel, Tell.

There are some foundation bitches I'd rather clone, though.

You forgot your favorite.......Slick


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I was gonna put him on the other topic. :)
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Rusty, Brown L, Dandy Dude, Koonas, Dee Dee Jackson, Sport (original Pj Wildfire), Windy Hill Prince James, Ehrlicher Abe.

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ACooper wrote:
snips wrote:Rick asked me a question I thought was very thought provoking...If you could get frozen semen from any of the past dogs who would it be...? I know who I answered without much thought...How bout you guys?

Brenda who did you say? What about Rick?
Essers Chick for me. Ricks thinking.... :roll:
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Post by Ruffshooter » Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:39 am

Well Fritz would be one the other would and maybe first is Engelhardts Ben Von Seiger Boss. My Mercy's dad and she is just like he was maybe a touch better. And there were a few that came from him that were just like him.
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Post by markj » Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:13 pm

I cant just pick one as I havent seen any of them work a field :) but maybe Hustler or his Dad ? I know of a few hege-haus Iwould breed to that are gone.. messed up and didnt breed my female early and lost her in an accident. Almost lost my daughter in that incident.
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Meller wrote:Blue Earth Rex, Dixie Land Rusty,Dixie Land Luke. :)
I think Steve has a few straws of Rexx left.

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I think Steve has a few straws of Rexx left
I spoke with him some time ago, he isnt ready to part with any yet :) but someday...
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Post by Hotpepper » Thu Mar 24, 2011 1:53 pm

Windy Hill Prince James (best nose ever)

Moosegard's Dee Dee Jackson if we are going to use it Big Oak Bumper or her daughter Dixie

The Cutter stuff that Hayley now owns but the info on that long term is still out

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Post by EK Cottontop » Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:05 pm

Blick V Shinback, Erick V Enzstrand, and Timberdoodle's Lancer Answer would be on my short list.

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Post by snips » Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:05 pm

I'm with you on Blick and Lancer, but Lancer D for me. Prob not Erick. Johnny Merrill said Blick was the best dog he had ever had. But, Essers Chick was behind all these.
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I am to the opinion that the dogs of today are better than the dogs of yesterday...... I don't find myself looking all that far back, I think anything that is worth breeding would be better than the original foundation. I really do think todays dogs are much more athletic, more attractive to the eye, and the gene pool of dogs is much deeper than say in the 70's.....

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Post by Troy08er » Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:57 pm

I never seen him run,but NFC NAFC FC AFC Beier's Evolution produced some great dogs. I like the way my gsp handles and he has some BE with FC Aces Prima Banane in it.

On motherline breedings, I would like one out of a FC AFC Evolution's Deliverance bitch.
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Post by snips » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:17 pm

I very much agree on these dogs. [quote="Troy08er"]I never seen him run,but NFC NAFC FC AFC Beier's Evolution produced some great dogs. I like the way my gsp handles and he has some BE with FC Aces Prima Banane in it.

On motherline breedings, I would like one out of a FC AFC Evolution's Deliverance bitch.[/qu
ote]

That was a great cross. These dogs go to Blick. There were at least 15 FC offspring that came from that cross. We had one that was a point from her FC and Dewey Hicks just did not run her much....Evolutions Bad Banane (BA) was an incredible dog, and shes still up close in our pedigrees. Picture of her on our website under Important Dogs. That cross is twice behind the bitch I just bred, Izzy.
The stories I have heard from some of the old time dogs I am not sure if the dogs today are better...I heard stories from Pointer people of Johnny Merrill showing up at their pointer trials and kicking their butts, and this was in the west..... :?
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snips wrote:I very much agree on these dogs.
Troy08er wrote:I never seen him run,but NFC NAFC FC AFC Beier's Evolution produced some great dogs. I like the way my gsp handles and he has some BE with FC Aces Prima Banane in it.

On motherline breedings, I would like one out of a FC AFC Evolution's Deliverance bitch.[/qu
ote]

That was a great cross. These dogs go to Blick. There were at least 15 FC offspring that came from that cross. We had one that was a point from her FC and Dewey Hicks just did not run her much....Evolutions Bad Banane (BA) was an incredible dog, and shes still up close in our pedigrees. Picture of her on our website under Important Dogs. That cross is twice behind the bitch I just bred, Izzy.
The stories I have heard from some of the old time dogs I am not sure if the dogs today are better...I heard stories from Pointer people of Johnny Merrill showing up at their pointer trials and kicking their butts, and this was in the west..... :?
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Post by ultracarry » Fri Mar 25, 2011 6:13 am

I would prob like to see the dogs run first hand to see if I would even think they would be a good match. I'm all for rockin rolling billy, rockin rocky, maybe magnums touch of gold, and a clone of billy dee's blues in a..Ohhhh I forgot blues rockin new creation.. but he is still alive.

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Post by snips » Fri Mar 25, 2011 6:32 am

http://www.walnuthillgsps.us. My Izzy's Sire, Gambles Bad Rip-n-Chip was a 2xNSTRA Ch and is out of BA. He was a VERY nice dog. Rick also owned a dog from that cross, NSTRA CH Jackson Von Prima Banane..He is also in our pedigrees....
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Post by Troy08er » Fri Mar 25, 2011 7:23 am

snips wrote:http://www.walnuthillgsps.us. My Izzy's Sire, Gambles Bad Rip-n-Chip was a 2xNSTRA Ch and is out of BA. He was a VERY nice dog.
Nice,I don't see the pedigree.Just the sire and dame on your web page.Great looking dogs.
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snips wrote:Rick asked me a question I thought was very thought provoking...If you could get frozen semen from any of the past dogs who would it be...? I know who I answered without much thought...How bout you guys?
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Post by snips » Fri Mar 25, 2011 7:49 am

I know Bruce..So sorry. I think I have reproduced Logan, it is scarry the little things this Mav x Dolly pup does. He is double on Logan....
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snips wrote:http://www.walnuthillgsps.us. My Izzy's Sire, Gambles Bad Rip-n-Chip was a 2xNSTRA Ch and is out of BA. He was a VERY nice dog. Rick also owned a dog from that cross, NSTRA CH Jackson Von Prima Banane..He is also in our pedigrees....

You can still find some of those lines out west. This is Ellis's gsp Gus from Landmark Kennels. I know Larry bred his Bean dog to Goonie which was an B.E. bitch from John Merrell's lines. That pup just hit the ground.
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ultracarry wrote:I would prob like to see the dogs run first hand to see if I would even think they would be a good match. I'm all for rockin rolling billy, rockin rocky, maybe magnums touch of gold, and a clone of billy dee's blues in a..Ohhhh I forgot blues rockin new creation.. but he is still alive.
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snips wrote:I
The stories I have heard from some of the old time dogs I am not sure if the dogs today are better...I heard stories from Pointer people of Johnny Merrill showing up at their pointer trials and kicking their butts, and this was in the west..... :?
I would sure hope that we are improving/building on these dogs with each breeding, or we are not really doing justice. Many of the dogs mentioned are fantastic dogs, but I would hope that each of its get are just a tad bit better, provided the bitch added some good stuff in there also.....

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Troy08er wrote:
snips wrote:http://www.walnuthillgsps.us. My Izzy's Sire, Gambles Bad Rip-n-Chip was a 2xNSTRA Ch and is out of BA. He was a VERY nice dog. Rick also owned a dog from that cross, NSTRA CH Jackson Von Prima Banane..He is also in our pedigrees....

You can still find some of those lines out west. This is Ellis's gsp Gus from Landmark Kennels. I know Larry bred his Bean dog to Goonie which was an B.E. bitch from John Merrell's lines. That pup just hit the ground.
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Post by Ahumphers91a » Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:30 pm

Sorry to bump an old thread, but my 5 would be Moesgaards IB, Greif v Hundschemerkogel, Tip Top Timmy, Uodibar's Boss Man and always Dixieland's Rusty!

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TAK wrote:
snips wrote:I
The stories I have heard from some of the old time dogs I am not sure if the dogs today are better...I heard stories from Pointer people of Johnny Merrill showing up at their pointer trials and kicking their butts, and this was in the west..... :?
I would sure hope that we are improving/building on these dogs with each breeding, or we are not really doing justice. Many of the dogs mentioned are fantastic dogs, but I would hope that each of its get are just a tad bit better, provided the bitch added some good stuff in there also.....

Dogs getting better at the same time the standards/requirements are getting watered down????????????????????????????

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snips wrote:Rick asked me a question I thought was very thought provoking...If you could get frozen semen from any of the past dogs who would it be...? I know who I answered without much thought...How bout you guys?

1. Shilo v Hessenwald

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TAK wrote:I am to the opinion that the dogs of today are better than the dogs of yesterday...... I don't find myself looking all that far back, I think anything that is worth breeding would be better than the original foundation. I really do think todays dogs are much more athletic, more attractive to the eye, and the gene pool of dogs is much deeper than say in the 70's.....
+1...but then again, I wasn't even born in the 70's but I can only imagine with the breeders and competition today, the dogs have improved since then.

I wish I could get something right out of Chisholm Creek's Cuttin Loose.

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Vision wrote:
snips wrote:Rick asked me a question I thought was very thought provoking...If you could get frozen semen from any of the past dogs who would it be...? I know who I answered without much thought...How bout you guys?

1. Shilo v Hessenwald

2. Essers Chick

3. Blick

4. Beiers Evolution
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TAK wrote:I am to the opinion that the dogs of today are better than the dogs of yesterday...... I don't find myself looking all that far back, I think anything that is worth breeding would be better than the original foundation. I really do think todays dogs are much more athletic, more attractive to the eye, and the gene pool of dogs is much deeper than say in the 70's.....
+1...but then again, I wasn't even born in the 70's but I can only imagine with the breeders and competition today, the dogs have improved since then.

I wish I could get something right out of Chisholm Creek's Cuttin Loose.
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You could ask this several times and get different answer's. The origional question kinda leaves the door wide open, like multiple dogs. Suppose you only got one pick, who would it be? For me I think Dixieland Rusty. In truth the difference between him and a bunch of others is so slim it could not be registered. If I can have two, I thought MRK's Western Pride was the best dog I ever watched, I never watched Rusty.
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Post by raven34 » Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:41 pm

Dennis and I just discussed this last night.... :D Ammertals Boss Ranger.

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Kay v. d. Wildburg, Mooesgard Ib/Coco
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northern cajun wrote:Kay v. d. Wildburg, Mooesgard Ib/Coco
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Post by Ahumphers91a » Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:03 pm

Ok, choose one I would choose FC HoF Uodibar's Boss Man.

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Post by Retiredbirddogman » Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:05 am

What do GSP's know about the "Directs" line? What are your thoughts on Clown breeding? Produced a lot of great NSTRA dogs.

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Retiredbirddogman wrote:What do GSP's know about the "Directs" line? What are your thoughts on Clown breeding? Produced a lot of great NSTRA dogs.
Direct's Fine Line? Very nice lines. Checkmate's dandy dude's bigfoot and his dad dandy dude, go back to of course to Uodibar's Boss Man's sire FC HoF Tip Top Timmy and his grand Sire FC HoF Windy Hills Prince James. Here's the pedigree: http://nextgenerationgermanshorthairs.n ... erations=5

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Post by LarryLowell » Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:23 am

As a breeder Id be all in on straws from:

1) Rockin Rollin Billy - Producer
2) Biers Evolution - Producer
3) Grief - Producer
4) Dixielands Rusty - Producer
5) Heidi Mighty City Slicker - Producer

If I could only pick I'd go with RR Billy. He wasn't bred alot but what he produced was very nice, and his get produced, and their get produced , and so on, their Still producing.

Without fact checking , I'd guess % wise because of his limited number of breedings that Billy produced that He might be one of the top producing lines of NFCs out there. Not just from him but again his get, grand get, etc... They are still producing. And minus all the Game Dogs , that line produces excellent Hunting Dogs , pure loaded with natural ability Birddogs.

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Post by LarryLowell » Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:30 am

And Rockin Rollin Billy crossed well with just about everything. All the stud dogs I mentioned on my list, their lines ALL cross well with Billy dogs. So as a Breeder that believes in linebreeding and inbreeding, I'd looking for breeding a line of Birddogs that will last the test of time, and give me great options for outcrossing.

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