Needs Recomendations of a GSP

dac · Post by **dac** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:17 pm

HEY guys,
I'm a new member but have been lurking n the forum for a while.I've been a bird hunter all my life an just recently decided to get a bird dog. We decided on a German Short Haired pointer is what we're looking for and have started looking at breeders. I am hoping maybe someone on here can maybe Recommend a breeder who is breeding close working German short haired pointers.

By the way this is not our first Hunting Dog or Dog in General. We've both dealt with Training and dealing with dog breeders before. This is going to be our First GSP however.

Thanks For any info in Advance,
Dante

GUNDOGS · Post by **GUNDOGS** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:59 pm

Where are you located?..are you willing to get a pup shipped to you or are you looking locally?..does it matter color, sex, pedigree?..theres nice pups under dogs for sale on here have you looked?...good luck...ruth

dac · Post by **dac** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 4:41 pm

GUNDOGS wrote:Where are you located?..are you willing to get a pup shipped to you or are you looking locally?..does it matter color, sex, pedigree?..theres nice pups under dogs for sale on here have you looked?...good luck...ruth

Lets see I'm from Jersey, We are looking for a pup within a 100 hundred mile range, But are willing to go farther. We are looking for a male with a pedigree from proven hunting stock. and we're not real picky on color. I'm gonna give a for sale section a look over again.
thanks

Cajun Casey · Post by **Cajun Casey** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 4:42 pm

Check with gpblitz on this forum, whom I have been told has been around GSPs since before they were pointers.

Personally, I have seen some nice dogs out of Top Gun Kennels breeding that would be suitable for closer work.

Good luck, unless you come to your senses about breed.

Fair Fields · Post by **Fair Fields** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:39 pm

I would agree to look at some of the Top Gun bloodlines. Can be closer working (compared to some) and are very natural. I have a Top Gun bred female that I am breeding in a few months. She is as birdy as any dog I have been around and very easy to handle.

GSPTrigger · Post by **GSPTrigger** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:47 pm

I have a GSP from Top Gun Kennels and could not be more satisfied. I did A LOT of research and found that they were the best fit for me. I know recently they have sold the business to John and Deb Prikosvich of Wild Flush Kennel (http://www.wildflushkennel.com/) and they seem to hold the same standards of Steve and Jodie Ries. Definitely give them a look I don't think you'd be disappointed.

Coveyrise64 · Post by **Coveyrise64** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:39 pm

Al Burkhart in Byron, NY. Don't know if he has a website but should have what you are looking for.

Coveyrise64

BoJack · Post by **BoJack** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:04 am

Bruce Shaffer Almost Heaven GSP.Seen his dogs work many times and you couldn't go wrong.
http://www.almostheavengsps.netkennel.com/

Red · Post by **Red** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:10 am

Sent you a pm....

GUNDOGS · Post by **GUNDOGS** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:20 am

I just saw a post under general chat with the title "new puppy day" from "will" and it looks like he has top gun dogs if you want to pm him i bet he knows quite a bit about those pups, they sure look good......ruth

Chaingang · Post by **Chaingang** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:13 am

GSPTrigger wrote:I have a GSP from Top Gun Kennels and could not be more satisfied. I did A LOT of research and found that they were the best fit for me. I know recently they have sold the business to John and Deb Prikosvich of Wild Flush Kennel (http://www.wildflushkennel.com/) and they seem to hold the same standards of Steve and Jodie Ries. Definitely give them a look I don't think you'd be disappointed.

I will also vouch personally for the Top Gun and now Wild flush line. Very biddable and comfortable to walk behind.

Adam · Post by **Adam** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:43 am

Don't forget Honey Run Shorthairs Cindy has a couple litters in the works...

RoostersMom · Post by **RoostersMom** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:46 am

Steve is a great guy from Top Gun. He is a huge supporter of conservation organizations as well - and he knows his stuff. Check out their site and then give him a call, he'll answer all your questions.

Carolina Gundogs · Post by **Carolina Gundogs** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:54 am

In talking about Top Gun, my avatar is a Top Gun Female. She was as natural as they come. We just recently finished her MH title and I had several judges come back to me and compliment her ability.
Thanks
Timmy Suggs

ultracarry · Post by **ultracarry** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:16 am

If you want a close working German shorthair it defeats the purpose of a pointing dog..... a lab can work great and it won't range.

Fair Fields · Post by **Fair Fields** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:17 am

Adam and others bring up a good point....there are many breedings that are breeding performance driven foot hunting shorthairs. The Top Gun stuff mostly goes back to Hustler based breedings. But there are others that also are proven performers with similar qualities - Sundance, Friedelsheim, Honeyrun and so on. Just do the research and find the breeder that meets your needs. That is the best thing about the shorthair world...there are plenty of dogs and great breeders to choose from.

I noted above that I have a breeding coming up that is between a Top Gun bred female (double granddaughter to Higgins) and Axel my VC, MH male. It should produce what you are after - but so will many others.

Cajun Casey · Post by **Cajun Casey** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:42 am

ultracarry wrote:If you want a close working German shorthair it defeats the purpose of a pointing dog..... a lab can work great and it won't range.

Ducking and covering.......

brad27 · Post by **brad27** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:43 am

If you want a close working German shorthair it defeats the purpose of a pointing dog.....

dac,

ultracarry brings up an interesting point. what do you consider close working? 30 yards? 100 yards? 200 yards?

ultracarry · Post by **ultracarry** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:56 am

I might want to explain this.... if your dog doesn't range it won't cover as much ground. If the dog is trained to handle birds it won't bust them. This allows you to hunt more efficiently.

If you go to a hunt test check out the dogs that don't range more then 50-75 yds. Those dogs probably won't find half the birds as a dog that goes 500 and then checks in when called and hits the other objectives. Then goes in the bird field.and stands its bird for the 10 minutes it takes you to walk the course.

It's up to you but they were ment to go find birds and hold them for you. Not be escorted to the birds. There is a lot to be said about going over a ridge and looking at the next one and seeing a dog on point.

Birddogz · Post by **Birddogz** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:59 am

ultracarry wrote:If you want a close working German shorthair it defeats the purpose of a pointing dog..... a lab can work great and it won't range.

Ridiculous. A dog needs to range at whatever is the most efficient "harvest range". Not all dogs are capable of adjusting. Big running dogs on Chukar should shorten up when needed for pheasants. Smart dogs figure it out.

Birddogz · Post by **Birddogz** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:02 am

ultracarry wrote:I might want to explain this.... if your dog doesn't range it won't cover as much ground. If the dog is trained to handle birds it won't bust them. This allows you to hunt more efficiently.

If you go to a hunt test check out the dogs that don't range more then 50-75 yds. Those dogs probably won't find half the birds as a dog that goes 500 and then checks in when called and hits the other objectives. Then goes in the bird field.and stands its bird for the 10 minutes it takes you to walk the course.

It's up to you but they were ment to go find birds and hold them for you. Not be escorted to the birds. There is a lot to be said about going over a ridge and looking at the next one and seeing a dog on point.

How many birds is the big running dog running by? Come out to ND and if your dog runs out to 500 yards I will bet you a nickel that your dog has run by at least 50 pheasants. A dog needs to be thorough, before it ranges.

brad27 · Post by **brad27** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:05 am

How many birds is the big running dog running by? Come out to ND and if your dog runs out to 500 yards I will bet you a nickel that your dog has run by at least 50 pheasants. A dog needs to be thorough, before it ranges.

his dog wouldn't have made it to 500 yards if there were that many phez. she would have been too busy finding EVER SINGLE one of them on the way out.

Chaingang · Post by **Chaingang** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:06 pm

Birddogz wrote:Ridiculous. A dog needs to range at whatever is the most efficient "harvest range". Not all dogs are capable of adjusting. Big running dogs on Chukar should shorten up when needed for pheasants. Smart dogs figure it out.

Well said.

dac · Post by **dac** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:45 pm

Its not that want to dog to stay next to me its the way the fields are set up. Most of the fields i hunt are roughly the length of a foot ball field long most shorter and maybe half a football field wide. and there are hedgerows between each field.So a dog that's gonna want to work 500+ yard away isn't going to work out because he'll be a couple fields away.

ultracarry · Post by **ultracarry** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:51 pm

And yes I prob will go to ND this year with my dog. I found a relative with a lot of land with pheasant and sharpies. I would say I could take you on some private land but don't want you to be frustrated with your dog backing all day.

ultracarry · Post by **ultracarry** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:57 pm

On a side note:
If your dog is half way worth a crap it would hold its birds outside of "harvest" range until you got there.

Cajun Casey · Post by **Cajun Casey** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:20 pm

ultracarry wrote:On a side note:
If your dog is half way worth a crap it would hold its birds outside of "harvest" range until you got there.

Dog won't be holding anything if it gets shot for trespassing.

ultracarry · Post by **ultracarry** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:29 pm

Animals can't trespass..... read the penal code;)

Chaingang · Post by **Chaingang** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:52 pm

ultracarry wrote:On a side note:
If your dog is half way worth a crap it would hold its birds outside of "harvest" range until you got there.

The dog may hold some till you approach, but you better not be long as wiley ole rooster is going to find an out regardless of how well trained your dog is. The dog is doing his part, but Roosters don't always play by the rules.

In some areas out there it is not uncommon because of the sheer numbers of birds to have wild flushes 100 + yards in front of dogs, hunters etc.. Simply put, those birds are unapproachable. I have always found that to get a fighting chance you need to break up large flocks into smaller groups or singles, that will at least give you and the dog a fighting chance.

This is why I prefer to hunt areas with less densities and better dog work overall.

Will · Post by **Will** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:18 pm

Chaingang wrote:
ultracarry wrote:On a side note:
If your dog is half way worth a crap it would hold its birds outside of "harvest" range until you got there.
The dog may hold some till you approach, but you better not be long as wiley ole rooster is going to find an out regardless of how well trained your dog is. The dog is doing his part, but Roosters don't always play by the rules.

In some areas out there it is not uncommon because of the sheer numbers of birds to have wild flushes 100 + yards in front of dogs, hunters etc.. Simply put, those birds are unapproachable. I have always found that to get a fighting chance you need to break up large flocks into smaller groups or singles, that will at least give you and the dog a fighting chance.

This is why I prefer to hunt areas with less densities and better dog work overall.

BINGO

Cajun Casey · Post by **Cajun Casey** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:29 pm

ultracarry wrote:Animals can't trespass..... read the penal code;)

Running at large, then, if you wish. Still the same outcome. Trial doga are not the benchmark of a breed. As far as range, I watched my green as grass puppy that averages 300 yards out close down to 30 yards and less to work a woodcock covert then blast out to his usual in the open. No one has taught him a darn thing except that two whistle blasts mean go ahead and one long means come in.

Ken W · Post by **Ken W** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:54 pm

I live in NY, 75 miles from NYC. I have a litter listed under dogs for sale. The breeding just took place, hopefully it worked. The parents are Sharpshooters by Burkhart. www.counterpointkennel.com 845 746- 6259 wrobel0003@aol.com if you want to talk or see the mom. Ken Wrobel

Coveyrise64 · Post by **Coveyrise64** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:21 pm

Ken W wrote:I live in NY, 75 miles from NYC. I have a litter listed under dogs for sale. The breeding just took place, hopefully it worked. The parents are Sharpshooters by Burkhart. http://www.counterpointkennel.com 845 746- 6259 wrobel0003@aol.com if you want to talk or see the mom. Ken Wrobel

Dang, that was easy. I know who I'd be calling if I was in NJ and looking for a pup.

Coveyrise64

Elkhunter · Post by **Elkhunter** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:33 pm

If there are 50+ birds in a hundred acre field just get a lab! Dont need much of a dog if there are that many birds, just walk and shoot!

jerseygsp · Post by **jerseygsp** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:21 pm

Hi dac im also from new jersey so i no what your talking about with the fields and hunting.I have a dog from huneyrun and love her.She hunts to the cover small fields she works real tight .big fields or open woods she opens up.And im getting my second dog from friedelsheim kennels the end of this month .And i no he has another litter coming up after mine

larry · Post by **larry** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:32 pm

KenWs litter looks like it would be a good fit. I have seen the sire of the liter on several occasions.

ACooper · Post by **ACooper** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:56 pm

Elkhunter wrote:If there are 50+ birds in a hundred acre field just get a lab! Dont need much of a dog if there are that many birds, just walk and shoot!

What if you want them pointed? What if you dont like pointing labs?

You cant assume that everyone hunts the same way you do.

Half the places I hunt are less than 40 acres, if a dog is 500 yds he is at the neighbors neighbors place...

ultracarry wrote:If you go to a hunt test check out the dogs that don't range more then 50-75 yds. Those dogs probably won't find half the birds as a dog that goes 500 and then checks in when called and hits the other objectives. Then goes in the bird field.and stands its bird for the 10 minutes it takes you to walk the course.

It's up to you but they were ment to go find birds and hold them for you. Not be escorted to the birds. There is a lot to be said about going over a ridge and looking at the next one and seeing a dog on point.

What if you don't have ridges? Honest question how many wild birds do you hunt?

Post by **ezzy333** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:19 pm

This thread is about a recommendation for getting a puppy and has nothing to do with how far your dogs range or how many birds there are. If you feel the need to rehsh that again start a new thread and don't take this one over.

Ezzy

ultracarry · Post by **ultracarry** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:20 pm

Honest answer is how many wild birds are there in southern ca? I was waiting for my dog to be broke so I needed to prioritize and break her out. I will be hunting a lot next year on chukar and valleys...

Will I have a problem if my dog doesn't flush the bird as soon as I walk next to her? If so I would rather not hunt wild birds.

dac · Post by **dac** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:06 pm

Thanks for all the info and recommendations guys.

Ken W wrote:I live in NY, 75 miles from NYC. I have a litter listed under dogs for sale. The breeding just took place, hopefully it worked. The parents are Sharpshooters by Burkhart. http://www.counterpointkennel.com 845 746- 6259 wrobel0003@aol.com if you want to talk or see the mom. Ken Wrobel

Ken W expect an email or possibly a call some time tomorrow or the next day.

CowboyBirdDogs · Post by **CowboyBirdDogs** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:49 am

Since when has the cure all become "get a pointing lab"?

Birddogz · Post by **Birddogz** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:20 am

This is what happens when guys take high octane dogs and release them on a 40 acre patch of CRP for roosters.