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Any body ever hear of using a air hose as a cc? Any tips or suggestions are appreciated.

Its been mention on this forum on a previous thread, they thought it was the way to go.
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I do not care for the Airhose as a CC

When I am doing quartering patterns and a dog isn't going with me I use the dogs weight as a stronger cue when they come to the end of the check cord and they haven't turned and gone with me before they hit the end and that air hose takes that abrupt cue away.

I have come to the conclusion that no matter how cheap rope CC's are, they suck. It makes much more sense to spring for the PermaTack.

I know, I know they are $25 bucks....worth every penny.

Perma Tack does not have the necessary qualities to replace a quality CC from LCS or TBI as a training aid.

slistoe wrote:Perma Tack does not have the necessary qualities to replace a quality CC from LCS or TBI as a training aid.

$15 for a long piece of rope is what they are. Come on...let's not wax poetic about a long piece of rope that gets wet, muddy and useless real quick.

mcbosco wrote:

slistoe wrote:Perma Tack does not have the necessary qualities to replace a quality CC from LCS or TBI as a training aid.

$15 for a long piece of rope is what they are. Come on...let's not wax poetic about a long piece of rope that gets wet, muddy and useless real quick.

Gosh! Don't let my dogs know that or my wife, or whoever is on the other end of that useless piece of garbage.
Ezzy

If you say so. Keep on keeping on with your Permatack. Some folks just don't know that they don't know. They can still be OK folks. But those that steadfastly refuse to learn are a sorry lot. The rope used in a proper CC has the right stiffness, soft feel and heft to work properly. And yes, they do wear out if you actually use them. Buy another one. They are $15. Spend twice the money and have something for 3 times as long that does not work properly. You might as well buy a $2.00 piece of twisted poly rope. It will last a long time and you can buy a dozen of them.

I bought 100 ft of the LCS tangle free CC and was able to make a couple different size CC's and a few leashes I really like their tangle free rope. I also have a Permatak CC i bought a few years ago and have never warmed up to it JMO

slistoe wrote:Perma Tack does not have the necessary qualities to replace a quality CC from LCS or TBI as a training aid.

I am not sure what you mean by this. I have a permatack and like it. It seems to be almost indestructible, as it has handled briars, chewing, etc. It is almost impossible to get tangled or hung up and glides through tough cover with ease. It probably doesn't perform some functions like the type you are talking about though, such as half hitching around the waist of the dog. My hunting buddy and best friend Ron R. was telling me he tried the half hitch with the permatack and it didn't work. He said it would cut into the dog, making it too painful. This may be the type of thing you are talking about.

Charlie

I like mine also Charlie,I think the only way to destroy it is cut it up or the dog chew it up which took Star about 5 minutes to bite it in half when I tied her to a field post to go plant a bird in the fence line.She wasn't a yr old at the time & just wanted to go with me!!

You are right that the PermaTack is excellent if you believe the only thing a CC is good for is for the dog to trail so you can jump on it. If you want to use it as a training aid it is seriously lacking. It is just as hard on hands feeding in and out to maintain contact with the dog as you indicate it is on the dog for half hitch. It doesn't carry a "wave". It doesn't coil for a "flushing whip". It will cause serious "rope burn". It is thin making it hard to grip.

It's a rope. With a clip on it. Maybe a bowline knot. It's not something that requires a lot of thought.

Maybe you could make one from CAT 10 and have better communication with the dog?

slistoe wrote: It doesn't coil for a "flushing whip".

It does fold for a flushing whip...kinda like a belt. I'm one of the guys that don't use a cc alot but I do use both types and I agree with what you are saying. I pretty much just use a cc when I transition from launchers to wrapped pigions.

Maybe you could make one from CAT 10 and have better communication with the dog?

Nah both sides need a ten gig interface

I use the delmar method. Go out to the barn, find a strong flexible rope, tie it off as he suggests and use it like he suggests. I see Cabelas, Basss Pro etc have orange hunter color check cords in a plastic bag.

The knot has to be in the right place or the corrrections just dont work right.

[quote="markj I see Cabelas, Basss Pro etc have orange hunter color check cords in a plastic bag.

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That's so nobody shoots your checkcord for a snake, man!

I've been using ten foot horse leads lately because they are comfortable. I am going to get a lunge line for whoa post, too. Actually, I just enjoy showing up with a fuschia and pink checkcord.

Cajun Casey wrote:[quote="markj I see Cabelas, Basss Pro etc have orange hunter color check cords in a plastic bag.

That's so nobody shoots your checkcord for a snake, man!

I've been using ten foot horse leads lately because they are comfortable. I am going to get a lunge line for whoa post, too. Actually, I just enjoy showing up with a fuschia and pink checkcord.[/quote]

I bet Tommy thinks it's adorable too.

Coveyrise64

Coveyrise64 wrote:

Cajun Casey wrote:
I've been using ten foot horse leads lately because they are comfortable. I am going to get a lunge line for whoa post, too. Actually, I just enjoy showing up with a fuschia and pink checkcord.

I bet Tommy thinks it's adorable too.

Coveyrise64

Shhhhhhh. He doesn't think I ever use one! Don't want to throw too much out there at once! I'm still trying to get him broke into the liver-in-a-can trick for head crank. I think I may be winning.

mcbosco wrote:I have come to the conclusion that no matter how cheap rope CC's are, they suck. It makes much more sense to spring for the PermaTack.

I know, I know they are $25 bucks....worth every penny.

+1. Money well spent

So since everyone has different opinions what would the disadvantages of a airhose be?

Ranger351 wrote:So since everyone has different opinions what would the disadvantages of a airhose be?

More expensive than rope.
Slick.
To thin.
To flexy.
Waste of a good air hose.


You like it, use it.

Depends on the air hose.

Too stiff
Too heavy for the dogs neck
Cannot coil for flushing whip
Cannot coil to carry easily on belt when not using
Too heavy to carry on belt when not using
Too hard to moderate corrections
Impossible to repair in the field should the end fail

I especially like my Mendota SuperCord.

prairiefirepointers wrote:I especially like my Mendota SuperCord.

Mendota is pretty good stuff. I have a thirty that the clip sprung on and I use it to tie out a 120 very car aggressive dog.

Just found a 5/8 50 ft. hose for 12$ at wally world

I am going to get a lunge line for whoa post

I also use a white 20 ft lunge line, the snap is a bit big for pup but it works well in the brush and I can see its use in a whoa post training.

There are also long poles some use in their training. Some say it gives them a little more control over the dog but I dont use them. I like my dogs to be free ranging and dont use the cords much after the basic training is done.

I see a barrel method on whoa breaking, might try that at some point.


Rubber hose as a rope? How do you place the knot at the end for the correction snap? I use air hose in my garage for my air tools, never thought of using it as a rope or cc.

markj wrote:

I am going to get a lunge line for whoa post

I also use a white 20 ft lunge line, the snap is a bit big for pup but it works well in the brush and I can see its use in a whoa post training.

There are also long poles some use in their training. Some say it gives them a little more control over the dog but I dont use them. I like my dogs to be free ranging and dont use the cords much after the basic training is done.

I see a barrel method on whoa breaking, might try that at some point.


Rubber hose as a rope? How do you place the knot at the end for the correction snap? I use air hose in my garage for my air tools, never thought of using it as a rope or cc.

Buddy Stick. That's the pole, a piece of 1" PVC with a clip on the end.

I find that using the wrong gloves rather than checkcord material causes my hands to burn. I use cotton roping gloves and a permatack checkcord, they will make it whatever length you need, I have a longer one to teach recall and a shorter one for bird work.

hmmm... and all this time I thought I was doing ok with a home made cc from a nylon rope... apparently the dog has been on the smart end the whole time...

Didn't mean to kill the thread... but can someone give a reason why the expensive check cord's from a supply magazine are that much better than a good quality soft rope with a good clip on the end... apparently i am missing something important in this, and my dog must be too because she has learned on the home made one... but if there is something valid that i have missed, i welcome someone elses experience and knowledge... seriously...

The stiffer type you can buy do work better for dragging as they don't get caught up as bad. Plus I think you would like the way they feel but it is pretty much a matter of preference and the softer ones will normally work pretty well in the yard.

Ezzy

thank you... and that makes sense.

I don't use a checkcord all that much but I like lariat rope.