Animal Chiropractic yes or no?

[Ruffshooter]

Any one use these for their dog?
What is the result?
What is your opinion?

My 11 year old Mercy has the past few days squealed when jumping up on her chair or up the stairs.
Brought to the vets, he saw two vertabra that are a bit arthritic. But up till a couple days ago she was fine. I am thinkin she must have twisted something to cause those to affect her with the pain. She walks a little humped up right in that area. When she does tweak it her hair stands up on end for a while.

The vet did give us Metacam for the inflamation. But I don't like the stuff as it is hard on the stomach.

I use a chiropractor for me and it works for me?
What are your thoughts?
Than ks,
Rick

[Cajun Casey]

I have used a chiropractor for a couple of dogs with great results. Accupuncture is effective, also. Wonderful stuff.

[Sharon]

My husband works in a hospital and all his family are doctors or nurses, so take this with a grain of salt. Because chiropractic medicine flies in the face of what science knows about how the body works, in other words as their premise is wrong from the start, things are never right.

My father in law was a small town Doctor and there was a chiropractor also in town. My father in law would get the cases that the chiropractor had given up on. One day a woman with a fulminating breast tumor came in . She had only been seeing the chiropractor. My father in law was so mad/upset that he had to go home for the day.

[RoostersMom]

Resorted to one this year and have seen her 3 times with Rooster. I really noticed a difference in his flexibility and pain levels. He was also "down in the back" or looking like he was swaybacked (I think he pulled a muscle). After the second visit and second acupuncture treatment, he was like brand new. Now I don't know if it always works, but since dogs are not like humans and don't have the "placebo" effect that we might get from a visit to the doctor - they either respond or don't ... they don't really know anything has happened so they can't "feel better" unless they truly do feel better.

My sister swears by acupuncture and chiropractic work with her performance horses.

[stlgsp]

Have used one with good results, she is a DVM/Chiropractor.

[sully511]

They typically work really well, but you have to find a good one. A DVM/Chiropractor is the best option, you shouldn't use a human chiropractor that does work on dogs. I go to many agility trials and there are TONS of people that use them all the time for their dogs. There is even one guy that travels to all the trials. I don't think he does a good job but you should see the line of people waiting and most of those people swear by him. You may also want to look into some acupuncture to go along with the chiropractic. Maybe laser therapy too!

I hope your dogs starts feeling better very quickly.

[Onk]

I must be in banjo land because I have never even heard of a Chiropractor for dogs!

[phermes1]

Without a doubt, chiropractic definitely works on dogs. A friend of mine has a dog that was having bad back problems, wasn't running right, etc. After the first session with a chiro, the dog was visibly relieved. A few sessions later, the dog was back to running like a bat out of he**.
Our boy Shooter has chiro sessions as needed and they also make a visible difference in his movement. I don't know what modern science says to explain why chiro won't work - but all I can tell you is that it does.

Someone mentioned acupuncture - also very effective. We had an old boy that got regular treatments for the last 2 years of his life. It made a huge difference in his quality of life.

[Cajun Casey]

http://www.animalchiropractic.org/anima ... cation.htm

[cody]

we use it on race horses quite a bit, dont see why it wouldnt work with dogs.

[doco]

My husband works in a hospital and all his family are doctors or nurses, so take this with a grain of salt. Because chiropractic medicine flies in the face of what science knows about how the body works, in other words as their premise is wrong from the start, things are never right.

My father in law was a small town Doctor and there was a chiropractor also in town. My father in law would get the cases that the chiropractor had given up on. One day a woman with a fulminating breast tumor came in . She had only been seeing the chiropractor. My father in law was so mad/upset that he had to go home for the day.

Sharon,

I know that we have agreed on almost all things and posts on GDF, however, on this one we are certainly diametrically opposed. Since I am a Chiropractor in a small rural town of 10,000, with a patient base of 5500, I am certainly offended by your grain of salt! I work extremely closely with the Physicians in my town and treat most of them and their families. According to your premise, half of my town must be wrong. So here's my grain of salt, just take it for what it is worth, as I did yours.



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I am not trying to offend anyone or start a peeing match, but this quote is as bad as the Show or Field debate. Conformation is science and concrete, whereas ability is nurtured, enhanced, and judged. Animal Chiropractors do a great job and I would never pretend to be one. The mechanics of an animal are vastly different than those on a human.


Dr. Bill Orlando....Chiropractor

[AzDoggin]

Rick - my 2 cents would be to try it and see if it makes a difference for your dog. Hate to see the dog in pain if there is something that could help.

Also - we have an old dog, 14 years, that has had crushed disks ($$urgery), has a narrowing of the vertebrae that is squeezing the cord, has a variety of other "old dog" maladies. We give him Glucosamine Chondroitin every day, and it seems to help an awful lot. Without it, he can't turn around in his crate, and he's very stiff in general, and yelps intermittently - licks his front feet a lot - likely a pain response. With the G-C daily, he can easily turn in his crate, is much more limber. His pain is still there, but seems to be less frequent.

Good luck.

[Ruffshooter]

THanks All:

I was given reference to one just 45 min. away. that is supposed to be good. She is a Vet as well.

Rick

[Cajun Casey]

One thing to consider with chiropractic, as with any holistic treatment, is that you are working in the body as a whole unit, not just treating symptoms. It usually takes multiple adjustments to achieve the desired effect as the body readjusts itself. Hopefully the treatment will work for the dog in question. I've always been happy with the results for my dogs.

[AzDoggin]

My husband works in a hospital and all his family are doctors or nurses, so take this with a grain of salt. Because chiropractic medicine flies in the face of what science knows about how the body works, in other words as their premise is wrong from the start, things are never right.

My father in law was a small town Doctor and there was a chiropractor also in town. My father in law would get the cases that the chiropractor had given up on. One day a woman with a fulminating breast tumor came in . She had only been seeing the chiropractor. My father in law was so mad/upset that he had to go home for the day.

Sharon, don't take this to mean anything important because it doesn't - but the sheer arrogance of mainstream medicine sometimes is mind boggling, isn't it?

And for every example of "chiropractor" malpractice or misjudgement, you can find as many or more from the mainstream medical group.

I guess the bottom line is that there is no accurate generalization about either one. There are competent professionals in each camp, and folks from each camp who do their jobs well every day and help rather than hurt.

In this case, with so many folks reporting positive and "drug-free" outcomes from the chiropractic experiences with animals, there sure must be something to it...

Peace

[nikegundog]

Anyone have any idea of how much training it takes to become a dog chiropractor?

[Cajun Casey]

Anyone have any idea of how much training it takes to become a dog chiropractor?

Well, you have to be either a vet or a human chiropractor before you certify in animal chiro, so quite a bit.

[nikegundog]

Anyone have any idea of how much training it takes to become a dog chiropractor?

Well, you have to be either a vet or a human chiropractor before you certify in animal chiro, so quite a bit.

So if your a vet and you want to be an animal chiropractor how much more training is required? One or two years?

[doco]

="AzDoggin
Sharon, don't take this to mean anything important because it doesn't - but the sheer arrogance of mainstream medicine sometimes is mind boggling, isn't it?

And for every example of "chiropractor" malpractice or misjudgement, you can find as many or more from the mainstream medical group.

I guess the bottom line is that there is no accurate generalization about either one. There are competent professionals in each camp, and folks from each camp who do their jobs well every day and help rather than hurt.

In this case, with so many folks reporting positive and "drug-free" outcomes from the chiropractic experiences with animals, there sure must be something to it...

Peace

Thanks AZ....That was pretty much the point I was trying to make without getting into a big long debate/discussion. I also have nothing but respect for Sharon, her posts and replies are always positive and I have always and will continue to look forward to reading them.

Bill

[Cajun Casey]

Anyone have any idea of how much training it takes to become a dog chiropractor?

Well, you have to be either a vet or a human chiropractor before you certify in animal chiro, so quite a bit.

So if your a vet and you want to be an animal chiropractor how much more training is required? One or two years?

I think the link I provided has that information. There are separate certifications for canine and equine, also, as well as CE requirements.

[ezzy333]

One thing to consider with chiropractic, as with any holistic treatment, is that you are working in the body as a whole unit, not just treating symptoms. It usually takes multiple adjustments to achieve the desired effect as the body readjusts itself. Hopefully the treatment will work for the dog in question. I've always been happy with the results for my dogs.

My problem with chiropractics over the long haul is just the opposite. It does treat the symptoms but does not treat the problem that allowed the body to get out of wack.
People can do what they want to do and if it helps and doesn't keep reappearing then you came out ahead but if you have to keep going back for the same problem then you haven't gained a thing for the money spent.

Ezzy

[Cajun Casey]

One thing to consider with chiropractic, as with any holistic treatment, is that you are working in the body as a whole unit, not just treating symptoms. It usually takes multiple adjustments to achieve the desired effect as the body readjusts itself. Hopefully the treatment will work for the dog in question. I've always been happy with the results for my dogs.

My problem with chiropractics over the long haul is just the opposite. It does treat the symptoms but does not treat the problem that allowed the body to get out of wack.
People can do what they want to do and if it helps and doesn't keep reappearing then you came out ahead but if you have to keep going back for the same problem then you haven't gained a thing for the money spent.

Ezzy

Why don't you take that up with the gentleman who is a chiropractor instead of me? I've never had a chiropractor address symptoms, only sources. It works. So do accupuncture, homeopathy and Five Element therapy, if the practitioner knows what they are doing.

[Cajun Casey]

One thing to consider with chiropractic, as with any holistic treatment, is that you are working in the body as a whole unit, not just treating symptoms. It usually takes multiple adjustments to achieve the desired effect as the body readjusts itself. Hopefully the treatment will work for the dog in question. I've always been happy with the results for my dogs.

My problem with chiropractics over the long haul is just the opposite. It does treat the symptoms but does not treat the problem that allowed the body to get out of wack.
People can do what they want to do and if it helps and doesn't keep reappearing then you came out ahead but if you have to keep going back for the same problem then you haven't gained a thing for the money spent.

Ezzy

Why don't you take that up with the gentleman who is a chiropractor instead of me? I've never had a chiropractor address symptoms, only sources. It works. So do accupuncture, homeopathy and Five Element therapy, if the practitioner knows what they are doing.

[Sharon]

My husband works in a hospital and all his family are doctors or nurses, so take this with a grain of salt. Because chiropractic medicine flies in the face of what science knows about how the body works, in other words as their premise is wrong from the start, things are never right.

My father in law was a small town Doctor and there was a chiropractor also in town. My father in law would get the cases that the chiropractor had given up on. One day a woman with a fulminating breast tumor came in . She had only been seeing the chiropractor. My father in law was so mad/upset that he had to go home for the day.

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Sharon,

I know that we have agreed on almost all things and posts on GDF, however, on this one we are certainly diametrically opposed. Since I am a Chiropractor in a small rural town of 10,000, with a patient base of 5500, I am certainly offended by your grain of salt! I work extremely closely with the Physicians in my town and treat most of them and their families. According to your premise, half of my town must be wrong. So here's my grain of salt, just take it for what it is worth, as I did yours.

I am not trying to offend anyone or start a peeing match, but this quote is as bad as the Show or Field debate. Conformation is science and concrete, whereas ability is nurtured, enhanced, and judged. Animal Chiropractors do a great job and I would never pretend to be one. The mechanics of an animal are vastly different than those on a human.

Dr. Bill Orlando....Chiropractor[/quote

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I always hesitate to give an opinion on controversial issues. ( I would not win a pissing match.) Too bad I didn't remember that this time. I apologize for offending you. ( In Canada a chiropractor must put DC after his/her name to show they are not a medical doctor.)

[ezzy333]

Why don't you take that up with the gentleman who is a chiropractor instead of me? I've never had a chiropractor address symptoms, only sources. It works. So do accupuncture, homeopathy and Five Element therapy, if the practitioner knows what they are doing.

I am not taking anything up with anyone but strictly saying that my opinion is different than what you posted as your opinion. I base mine on what I have seen and experienced.

Ezzy

[Sharon]

="AzDoggin
Sharon, don't take this to mean anything important because it doesn't - but the sheer arrogance of mainstream medicine sometimes is mind boggling, isn't it?

And for every example of "chiropractor" malpractice or misjudgement, you can find as many or more from the mainstream medical group.

I guess the bottom line is that there is no accurate generalization about either one. There are competent professionals in each camp, and folks from each camp who do their jobs well every day and help rather than hurt.

In this case, with so many folks reporting positive and "drug-free" outcomes from the chiropractic experiences with animals, there sure must be something to it...

Peace

Thanks AZ....That was pretty much the point I was trying to make without getting into a big long debate/discussion. I also have nothing but respect for Sharon, her posts and replies are always positive and I have always and will continue to look forward to reading them.

Bill

That was very nice to say . Thank you. I'm not offended at all. Our opinions are formed from our experiences in life which is why we all think differently. As my husband burns his buns in a hospital every day for 12 hours , it's hard for me not to be color blind. We have our problems in Ontario. Average wait time in emerg . is now up to 15 hours for the "not immediately dying".

[Cajun Casey]

Why don't you take that up with the gentleman who is a chiropractor instead of me? I've never had a chiropractor address symptoms, only sources. It works. So do accupuncture, homeopathy and Five Element therapy, if the practitioner knows what they are doing.

I am not taking anything up with anyone but strictly saying that my opinion is different than what you posted as your opinion. I base mine on what I have seen and experienced.

Ezzy

That leaves the question of what experience you have had with chiropractic treatment of, particularly, dogs. I have personally had dogs treated and know many people who have had dogs, cats, horses and one three legged potbellied pig treated by chiropractors. The recommended, if needed, followup treatment for a dog of mine with a hip and elbow luxation on the same side from the vet who did the reduction included chiro. Could you share your experiences, please?

[Birddogz]

My husband works in a hospital and all his family are doctors or nurses, so take this with a grain of salt. Because chiropractic medicine flies in the face of what science knows about how the body works, in other words as their premise is wrong from the start, things are never right.

My father in law was a small town Doctor and there was a chiropractor also in town. My father in law would get the cases that the chiropractor had given up on. One day a woman with a fulminating breast tumor came in . She had only been seeing the chiropractor. My father in law was so mad/upset that he had to go home for the day.

This is ridiculous. Many times MDs are ignorant to what Chiropractic does. There is a reason that Tiger Woods has his own personal Chiropractor. Multi-million dollar horses are adjusted all of the time. Do you honestly think they would go through all of the trouble if it weren't effective? I can't believe we are even having this discussion.

Of course it is worth it.

[doco]

IMO..........................This would be a great place to end the secondary topic of the original post. It could certainly go on and on and on. A very sincere thank you Sharon. A very sincere thank you to those supporting Chiropractic. I'd much rather return this post to the dogs. After all, we all know that there is no better dog than a GSP!!!!!

Enuf Said,

Bill

[Cajun Casey]

IMO..........................This would be a great place to end the secondary topic of the original post. It could certainly go on and on and on. A very sincere thank you Sharon. A very sincere thank you to those supporting Chiropractic. I'd much rather return this post to the dogs. After all, we all know that there is no better dog than a GSP!!!!!

Enuf Said,

Bill

Especially a well adjusted one!

[Cajun Casey]

Double post.

[MikeB]

YES

[nikegundog]

I think the link I provided has that information. There are separate certifications for canine and equine, also, as well as CE requirements.

Nope wasn't in the link, it said you must take a clinic and an examine, don't know if the clinic is for two days or 2 weeks.

[doco]

After surfing through the links, it appears that the Certification Courses are given in 1 week long modules for 5 - 6 weeks over several months. They certainly did not appear to be cheap and there were only 5-6 places to take the courses.

[mxdad777]

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We have our problems in Ontario. Average wait time in emerg . is now up to 15 hours for the "not immediately dying".[/quote]

And isn't this a similar medical plan that our great president is pushing!? No thank you!

[Sharon]

The plan's great. Every citizen gets equal care whether poor or rich. No jumping the queu. The problem is that we need more nurses and doctors and the govt. to open up more beds.