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speaking of GSP color...

Post by ultracarry » Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:30 pm

Anyone have a picture of a lemon and white GSP? I have heard of GSP's with a certain gene that will throw the color. The dogs usually won't be seen but wondering if there are some out there...

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Post by AHGSP » Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:00 pm

Search the forum, there have been lots of pics and discussion in the past.
The "Gene" you refer to would be the "e" at the E Locus, instead of the "E" that GSP's carry. The Pointer carries the "e" for yellow.

Just some quick reference info that may be helpful to you:
http://www.vetgen.com/canine-coat-color.html
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Post by mcbosco » Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:10 pm

I have seen beagles that color.

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Post by raven34 » Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:33 pm

Never seen one.

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Post by GUNDOGS » Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:40 pm

Heres one posted on another forum..and heres a link to that forum showing the pup with a better full body view (scroll down to the middle of the page)..ruth

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Post by JKP » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:05 pm

Wait til the show girls get hold of that one!!!!

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Post by Vision » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:34 pm

ultracarry wrote:Anyone have a picture of a lemon and white GSP? I have heard of GSP's with a certain gene that will throw the color. The dogs usually won't be seen but wondering if there are some out there...
One of your dogs ancestors has thrown pups of that color.

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Post by AHGSP » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:37 pm

Vision wrote:
ultracarry wrote:Anyone have a picture of a lemon and white GSP? I have heard of GSP's with a certain gene that will throw the color. The dogs usually won't be seen but wondering if there are some out there...
One of your dogs ancestors has thrown pups of that color.
Yep, sure enough and when lined on him, the smart ones that know it will do the Vetgen Test for coat color, or I believe there is also another similar Test from another outfit also available.
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Post by brad27 » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:45 pm

How many generations can the "e" still come through? 2,5,10?

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Post by Vision » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:54 pm

brad27 wrote:How many generations can the "e" still come through? 2,5,10?
Probably more. It can travel for generations and never express until it pairs with another carrier.

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Post by AHGSP » Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:05 pm

Vision wrote:
brad27 wrote:How many generations can the "e" still come through? 2,5,10?
Probably more. It can travel for generations and never express until it pairs with another carrier.

Yep, it's recessive and needs a matching "e" to express as said above.
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Post by ACooper » Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:05 pm

brad27 wrote:How many generations can the "e" still come through? 2,5,10?
It is passed on like other genetic markers, and two carriers just need to be lined up for it possibly express.

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Post by ultracarry » Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:27 pm

Vision wrote:
ultracarry wrote:Anyone have a picture of a lemon and white GSP? I have heard of GSP's with a certain gene that will throw the color. The dogs usually won't be seen but wondering if there are some out there...
One of your dogs ancestors has thrown pups of that color.
That's exactly what I heard... its interesting how it comes out when you talk to people that have dogs from the same lines. The lemon and whites dont look like a pointer as much as you would think. Actually less then some liver and white GSP's. It's good stuff to know...

Thanks for the pics. I Googled that shiznit and couldn't find any...

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Post by ACooper » Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:36 pm

Searched around, found a few.

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Post by ultracarry » Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:46 pm

Thanks. Sure is a different suit. I found the previous thread on tri color and it turned pretty messy lol.

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Post by Cajun Casey » Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:14 pm

That off color bitch is out of breeding going to young Slick at least one way if she's a Texas dog called Sandy.
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Post by GUNDOGS » Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:12 am

I found this site among others who are crossing labs and shorthairs as "hybrids" (read the bottom of the page) so i was wondering, is it possible if you then take one of those pups in that hybrid litter and breed it back to a GSP wouldnt you possibly get a lemon shorthair?? the reason i ask is if you click on the LITTERS link, on that site and have a look you will see pups that look like the pic i posted earlier.. posted on the first link here is an example of a yellow lab/shorthair mix from that site, posted under it is the actual site, notice the mask and lemon color?? i dont know genetics in dogs all that well but it sure is interesting.. do they DNA test these lemon dogs at all to see if they are pure?? interesting....ruth

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Post by jimbo&rooster » Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:44 am

Is lemon and white a DQ across the board or are there some games you can play and some you can't like with the black dogs?

I guess if GSP doesn't carry the e gene then obviously something is a little off in the woodpile.

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Post by adogslife » Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:32 am

Any color can play any game except showring.
Its about the money, not the breed.
These colors are being bred and registered as GSPs.
Claimed to be a throwback from the old days.
Maybe we'll begin to see brindle GSPs.

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Post by ultracarry » Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:47 am

I'm thinking this color is produced a little more then some think, but they don't make it....... at least it keeps people from breeding them and producing a rare color.

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Post by ACooper » Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:09 am

Most color threads do turn ugly lol....

There was an add that I think one of those pups that I posted came from, it was on gundogsonline, listed lemon and white pups as "rare". Later the owner of the litter was attempting to sell the stud and advertised he through lemon as a positive... puke

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Post by budlight11 » Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:46 am

i have seen 2 on google that was not breed with a lab it was 2 fc german shoirthais

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Post by brad27 » Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:03 pm

Ok so how does this work. If dad was a "e" carrier and mom was a "E" carrier then no lemon/white dogs. How many pups will carry the "e" ? 50%?

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Post by Vision » Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:11 pm

brad27 wrote:Ok so how does this work. If dad was a "e" carrier and mom was a "E" carrier then no lemon/white dogs. How many pups will carry the "e" ? 50%?

25%

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Post by slistoe » Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:38 pm

Vision wrote:
brad27 wrote:Ok so how does this work. If dad was a "e" carrier and mom was a "E" carrier then no lemon/white dogs. How many pups will carry the "e" ? 50%?

25%
Dad is Ee, Mom is EE, 50% of pups should be Ee.

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Post by jasonw99 » Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:05 pm

do u think it's some old school gene or just a little too much pointer?

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Post by ACooper » Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:07 pm

jasonw99 wrote:do u think it's some old school gene or just a little too much pointer?
No old school gene... It's pointer.

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Re: speaking of GSP color...

Post by brad27 » Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:10 pm

Do all EP's carry Ee?
Sorry, I know next to nothing about genetics.

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