If you never use them then this topic dorsn't pertain to you.Ryman Gun Dog wrote:Gentlemen,
I use to help run a Regulated Shoting Grounds, it was 45 miles from the house, that place is long gone. We now train 90% on wild Grouse and finish on our own land in Potter/Tioga. We no longer travel to do any planted bird work with our dogs.
RGD/Dave
cjhills wrote:I hunt northern Montana. Mostly huns and sharptrails. Bird counts were way down last year after the worst winter in years across the northern plains. This last winter will help. It don't make alot of difference to me. I can live without alot of birds and I have dogs that cover alot of country to find what are there. It is 900 miles to where I hunt and if I take my trailer I get about 6 mpg in the mountains. Maybe 10 crossing North Dakota. Again that don't make alot of difference to me. It's part of the kennel expenses.Elkhunter wrote:codym wrote:Chukar hunting is hard Josh duh!
Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!!
But the fact is every body can't go west and everybody don't have the dogs and equipment or the desire to hunt where you walk 15 or 20 miles a day. Most starters want birds.
Most people with 2 or 3 kids they want to take hunting are going to have to go to a preserve.
Good or bad it's what it is and it beats watching hunting shows on TV.
CJ
how does the quote go?ezzy333 wrote:If you never use them then this topic dorsn't pertain to you.Ryman Gun Dog wrote:Gentlemen,
I use to help run a Regulated Shoting Grounds, it was 45 miles from the house, that place is long gone. We now train 90% on wild Grouse and finish on our own land in Potter/Tioga. We no longer travel to do any planted bird work with our dogs.
RGD/Dave
Ezzy
I would say maybe 4-7 miles. Its pretty steep, dogs will bail off into side canyons etc while we hoof it up the hill. And ya just wait till ya hear the beep on the Garmin.cjhills wrote:If ,as you said in another topic your dogs go balls to the wall for three hours how far do you go?
Chukar hunting is not for the faint of heart, man or beast! Big country.
I couldn't agree more.tfbirddog2 wrote:alot of the reason why alot of people go to preserves is the dont want to knock on doors and walk and walk and walk!they come to a preserve where habitat has been left for the birds and they are stocked to making things easier
The reason I expressed my opinion on how people tote their success as a guide dog, any decently bred dog should be able to go out and point planted birds on a bird farm. I want to know a dog can get it done on wild birds all the time. There is a HUGE difference between a dog pointed birds on a preserve and a dog pointing wild birds. Especially in my area where we are surrounded by wild birds, I want to know the dog can point and handle those birds, not a planted bird on a farm. JMO.tfbirddog2 wrote:I really like how this topic has went too! I know there are some guys from colorado on here and alot of our clients are from there.The reason why alot of the guys just like alot of the reason why alot of people go to preserves is the dont want to knock on doors and walk and walk and walk! Alot of the public ground there is stomped all to heck or is leased up! So they come to a preserve where habitat has been left for the birds and they are stocked to making things easier and somebody else has to do the dog thing(some have them though).Where I live alot of guys hunt there own stuff or ground is leases up so it makes it tuff if you dont know someone for the city guys intown.
IMO if someone like myself who raises dog and sells them and I saw dam and sire are used as guide dogs, it say to me if i was looking at the dogs forsale it say the dogs has birds over its head and it should know what its doing, and the owner sell the pups from them should know the dogs characteristcs pretty well.I say it in my adds and when people ask about my dogs.I also let people know if they think that when a pup is 14 to 16 weeks old and they are going to be cheaper, wrong it means they are going to gt trained and get more exspensive cuase I dont let puppies sit idle waiting for buyers I start them.
Got to remember alot of people dont have dogs but like to hunt so thats what preserves are for too.
I think it goes like this, how far do you travel to get to a hunting preservethe_possum wrote:how does the quote go?ezzy333 wrote:If you never use them then this topic dorsn't pertain to you.Ryman Gun Dog wrote:Gentlemen,
I use to help run a Regulated Shoting Grounds, it was 45 miles from the house, that place is long gone. We now train 90% on wild Grouse and finish on our own land in Potter/Tioga. We no longer travel to do any planted bird work with our dogs.
RGD/Dave
Ezzy
i don't have to have drowned to know that i wouldn't like it?
something like that anyway.
+1. I also expressed my opinion on a preserve guide dog by saying that a dog for sale advertised as a preserve guide dog means nothing to me. By saying that, I mean no disrespect whatsoever. I only mean that a preserve dog doesn't really have to be that well trained [not saying that yours are not]. In most cases, all that matters is that the dog does well enough for the client to get a shot at the bird. I am not knocking it at all, just saying that I would have to know a lot more about the dog than the fact that it is a guide dog for a preserve. Just let me say that I sometimes guide for a preserve, but if I had a dog for sale, I doubt that I would even mention it.The reason I expressed my opinion on how people tote their success as a guide dog, any decently bred dog should be able to go out and point planted birds on a bird farm. I want to know a dog can get it done on wild birds all the time. There is a HUGE difference between a dog pointed birds on a preserve and a dog pointing wild birds. Especially in my area where we are surrounded by wild birds, I want to know the dog can point and handle those birds, not a planted bird on a farm. JMO.
I would mention it anytime. I have found that a birddog is a birddog and doesn't care how they got where they are. But if your dog is going to be a good guide dog then it has to stay close and be steady on the point or you probably won't be asked again. Nice thing about hunting the native birds is you usually have more room to let the dogs work in. I have never found that hunting on a perserve was something to be ashamed of.birddogger wrote:+1. I also expressed my opinion on a preserve guide dog by saying that a dog for sale advertised as a preserve guide dog means nothing to me. By saying that, I mean no disrespect whatsoever. I only mean that a preserve dog doesn't really have to be that well trained [not saying that yours are not]. In most cases, all that matters is that the dog does well enough for the client to get a shot at the bird. I am not knocking it at all, just saying that I would have to know a lot more about the dog than the fact that it is a guide dog for a preserve. Just let me say that I sometimes guide for a preserve, but if I had a dog for sale, I doubt that I would even mention it.The reason I expressed my opinion on how people tote their success as a guide dog, any decently bred dog should be able to go out and point planted birds on a bird farm. I want to know a dog can get it done on wild birds all the time. There is a HUGE difference between a dog pointed birds on a preserve and a dog pointing wild birds. Especially in my area where we are surrounded by wild birds, I want to know the dog can point and handle those birds, not a planted bird on a farm. JMO.
Charlie
Nope, nothing at all to be ashamed of. Just saying that a dog doesn't have to be that well trained to satisfy clients that are getting plenty of shooting opportunities. In other words, if the dog will hold until the shooter is close enough for a shot, it is probably good enough for a lot of people. Let me back up on the comment that I probably wouldn't mention it. I did not mean that it was a bad thing, and there would be nothing wrong with mentioning it, but that alone does not determine how good or what the dog may be worth.I would mention it anytime. I have found that a birddog is a birddog and doesn't care how they got where they are. But if your dog is going to be a good guide dog then it has to stay close and be steady on the point or you probably won't be asked again. Nice thing about hunting the native birds is you usually have more room to let the dogs work in. I have never found that hunting on a perserve was something to be ashamed of.
Ezzy
Ya, whether I am on wild birds or on a preserve, it's all about the dog work for me.birddog1968 wrote:That right there Charlie is the difference between the same ole preserve shoot and an awesome time , if its not about the dog work it aint worth doin. JMHO.
So truebirddogger wrote:Ya, whether I am on wild birds or on a preserve, it's all about the dog work for me.birddog1968 wrote:That right there Charlie is the difference between the same ole preserve shoot and an awesome time , if its not about the dog work it aint worth doin. JMHO.
Charlie
