UKC Breed Standard Announcement
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UKC Breed Standard Announcement
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Re: UKC Breed Standard Announcement
I am extremely glad to see the revision on the GSD. I pray the Brred clubs for AKC follow suit as well..Wonder what the other changes are going to be
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Be careful what you wish for when it comes to broadly stated goals that someone else can set without you having any input. Not my idea of improvement, even though I agree we need some.kninebirddog wrote:I am extremely glad to see the revision on the GSD. I pray the Brred clubs for AKC follow suit as well..Wonder what the other changes are going to be
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Did you not read the new revision on the German Shepard? :roll: That is what I was refering to...Some of those show GSD's were so sloped in the backs they couldn't even walk right and hips were horrible to attain that over slant so UKC They are veering away from the over sloped backs...What's wrong with that?ezzy333 wrote:Be careful what you wish for when it comes to broadly stated goals that someone else can set without you having any input. Not my idea of improvement, even though I agree we need some.kninebirddog wrote:I am extremely glad to see the revision on the GSD. I pray the Brred clubs for AKC follow suit as well..Wonder what the other changes are going to be
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What's wrong is that it could easily slide into kneejerk, anti-breeding, punitive, draconian subjectivity. Look at what happened at Crufts and some of the public commentary on the BIS at Westminster this year.
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Pretty much anything can lead to knee jerk over reactionsCajun Casey wrote:What's wrong is that it could easily slide into kneejerk, anti-breeding, punitive, draconian subjectivity. Look at what happened at Crufts and some of the public commentary on the BIS at Westminster this year.
personally I am happy the revised to help breeders bring up the back ends of the GSD..what I saw at the shows needed to be stopped next thing would be a dog dragging around a back end as a few of the dogs I saw were pretty close to that.
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You'd best worry about your own breed's rear end because UKC follows FCI and is saturated with anti-modification ABPT folks. When they rule out docked tails, you may feel differently. My girls will have to learn to bite their babies' tails off at birth if that happens.kninebirddog wrote:Pretty much anything can lead to knee jerk over reactionsCajun Casey wrote:What's wrong is that it could easily slide into kneejerk, anti-breeding, punitive, draconian subjectivity. Look at what happened at Crufts and some of the public commentary on the BIS at Westminster this year.
personally I am happy the revised to help breeders bring up the back ends of the GSD..what I saw at the shows needed to be stopped next thing would be a dog dragging around a back end as a few of the dogs I saw were pretty close to that.
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What do you mean by "anti-modification APBT" people? Have you ever been to a UKC show and seen show APBT's?
With docked tails--that's already addressed in gun dog standards--both docked and natural are acceptable to allow imports from countries that do not permit tail docking.
With docked tails--that's already addressed in gun dog standards--both docked and natural are acceptable to allow imports from countries that do not permit tail docking.
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Yes, I have seen UKC conformation APBT's and the trend here is natural ears. It is nearly impossible to find a vet that will cut ear leather or knows how, also. I've gotten some really uncalled for comments on my mutts' stubbies from pitbull folks, including being told it made them aggressive.legallyblonde wrote:What do you mean by "anti-modification APBT" people? Have you ever been to a UKC show and seen show APBT's?
With docked tails--that's already addressed in gun dog standards--both docked and natural are acceptable to allow imports from countries that do not permit tail docking.
Another point of contention is the diminuation of Border collies. Ask a Sheltie Agility competitor.
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Well in most of the country you see waaay more cropped ears in APBT's. A lot of people with pits with natural ears complain that judges prefer cropped. And with BC's--too much to get into there with the ABCA's rule on showing dogs, but you do see more stock dog bc's in UKC. I know some that show locally who work their dogs on bulls. UKC tends to draw more of the working/performance dog crowd and wants to keep it that way.
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Re: UKC Breed Standard Announcement
In FCI the country of origin controls the breed standard. So it would take the motherland to change a breed standard. Franly that is a moot point as the US is not a member of FCI, neither UKC or AKC have to abide by FCI standards, it is the breed clubs that determine the standard in AKC or UKC. UKC and AKC are simply registries and abide by what the parent clubs call for in terms of conformation. In the case of American Brittany's in FCI they are not to my knowledge a recognized breed in of themselves. They are Epagneul Bretons, or as we call them in the US French Brittany's. Don't take this as me slamming American Brittanys as I like them as a breed, but most of them in Continental Europe would not go antwhere in a Conformation Show, as the build has diverged from EBs. If, and I doubt it will happen, the US became a member of the FCI, I suspect that American Brittanys would end up as a distinct breed, seperate from EBs
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Re: UKC Breed Standard Announcement
Not familar with UKC...who comes up with the standards?
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Check that...the AKC can refuse provisions the club might want if the AKC deems those provisions to be too limiting...for example to require some proof of performance in order to be a bench champion. They don't like disqualifying faults or severe penalties. The idea is to ring the register and you need to get as many folks possible in the tent to do that.it is the breed clubs that determine the standard in AKC
It is true that in the FCI the breed club of the country of origin determines the standard. Registries that wish to join the FCI would have to conform to those standards...so don't look for the AKC to be an FCI affiliate in the near future.
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kninebirddog wrote:Pretty much anything can lead to knee jerk over reactionsCajun Casey wrote:What's wrong is that it could easily slide into kneejerk, anti-breeding, punitive, draconian subjectivity. Look at what happened at Crufts and some of the public commentary on the BIS at Westminster this year.
personally I am happy the revised to help breeders bring up the back ends of the GSD..what I saw at the shows needed to be stopped next thing would be a dog dragging around a back end as a few of the dogs I saw were pretty close to that.
Arlette, there is never anything wrong when their changes agree with you but remember some of them won't always agree with your ideas and then we will see how great it is. That is my concern when you start letting someone else decide what they like and not what you like.
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I don't know anything about the various American Kennel Clubs but I felt that what happened at Cruft's this year was long overdue. Dogs should not be bred to perpetuate glaring physical faults that affect their health.
As I understand the British K.C. 's present rules American Brittanies cannot be shown here. Only the French type are accepted.The Epagneulle Breton is O.K. the American Brittany is not liked by most of the folk that show E.B.'s. I think this is a pity as I prefer the "type" of the American Brittany. Most of Britains E.B. owners do not work them, they only show them or have them as pets. There is only one kennel in all of Britain that I'd go to if I wanted an E.B. ........ I don't trust or know which of the other kennels actually work and trial their dogs with success.
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As I understand the British K.C. 's present rules American Brittanies cannot be shown here. Only the French type are accepted.The Epagneulle Breton is O.K. the American Brittany is not liked by most of the folk that show E.B.'s. I think this is a pity as I prefer the "type" of the American Brittany. Most of Britains E.B. owners do not work them, they only show them or have them as pets. There is only one kennel in all of Britain that I'd go to if I wanted an E.B. ........ I don't trust or know which of the other kennels actually work and trial their dogs with success.
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That information is on the UKC site.Susie wrote:Not familar with UKC...who comes up with the standards?
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Cant find itCajun Casey wrote:That information is on the UKC site.Susie wrote:Not familar with UKC...who comes up with the standards?
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Wish some changes would be made to the Bulldog, any dog that cannot naturally reproduce should not be produced. JMO
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I will check and post it for you when I have a real computer. If you want any other info, I can check with my UKC/HRC peeps.Susie wrote:Cant find itCajun Casey wrote:That information is on the UKC site.Susie wrote:Not familar with UKC...who comes up with the standards?
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Thank you and sorry I'm being a pain in the rear. Just curious what type of breed experiance it takes to become involved in writing a breed UKC standard.Cajun Casey wrote:I will check and post it for you when I have a real computer. If you want any other info, I can check with my UKC/HRC peeps.
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UKC decides their own standards. From my understanding they at times will ask breeders, judges and clubs for input on standards but the UKC themselves have the final say on what a standard is and how it is stated. Also I have been told numerous times that when it is applicable they do their best to align their standard with FCI or the "country of origins" standard as well. Hope this helps!
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Is the Tri color in the brittany also not desirable in the FCI standard? I was under the impression that UKC was using FCI standards for the brittany. Is this wrong? Those of you with bretons here in the US, what kennel club do you conformation show with?
Also very glad to see them take a stand with the GSD!
Also very glad to see them take a stand with the GSD!
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Oh, I typed too soon. I see the breeds are listed as seperate in UKC.