Joe as forementioned my post was not meant to be a jab at you. I simply used you dog as an example due to this paragraph that you posted:
I don't have any HTA but do have a fine young one from some of the FRB. I have seen several dogs out here that are HTA. I am not that impressed, but before you go beating me up, I will say that I have not seen a pedigree. Therefore, when you see a pointer and ask what it's out of and you here HTA, what you see as a final product may not be the result of HTA. Depending on how far back that breeding is and what it was bred to. I think that has been proven with the Elhew line in many cases.
You did exactly what you mention that others do. By stating that you have a fine young dog from some of the FRB you lead a person to believe that your dog is from a FRB bloodline. When in fact FRB does not show up one single time in a 4 generation pedigree of your dog. That means out of 30 dogs in those 4 generations not 1 is FRB. FRB does show up in the 5th generation of your dog 5x's which is just slightly more than the 1/8th that I had mentioned previously. To break that down it means that out of 32 dogs in the 5th gen. FRB shows up 5x's or out of a total of 60 dogs in that 5 gen. pedigree FRB is in there a mere 5x's. This is not a jab, it does not mean that your dog isn't a very fine dog, it doesn't mean that your dog isn't bred well, and it isn't meant to be anything personal against you. It is meant to point out that your dog is hardly what I would consider a FRB bred dog!
Now to get on to the subject of HTA just a bit. I am a fan of HTA and the funny thing is Ron actually isn't a big fan of it. However, I do appreciate him batting cleanup for me after i threw that jab and ran and hid behind my wife LOL. It does seem that a lot of people bash HTA. Joe you mentioned that your experience with them is quite limited and that the dogs that you seen may have not even had much HTA in them. I believe that Tommy stated he hasn't seen any in person, hasn't trained any, and hasn't even ever hunted with one. So obviously other than a few pictures and not liking the way some of them look anything else would have to be considered 100% heresay! I did a slight bit of research and tried to come up with some numbers. I did not call the Field so I am sure these numbers are nolonger 100% accurate, but I believe they will get the point across. The production numbers on HTA are 53-257-1599. now lets compare those to a few other sons of FRB along with a couple other excellent producers;
Turbo: 29-33-256
CH High View Buddy: 25-20-119
High View Jake: 16-2-9
CH Fiddler Rocky Boy: 47-79-956
CH Elhew Strike: 20-156-953
CH Elhew Fibbe McGEee: 6-144-652
Honky Tonk Attitude: 53-257-1599!
HTA was obviously bred much more than all those other FRB dogs, but probably not more than those other fine studs. HTA may possibly be the most decorated walking trial dog in history(would be interesting if someone knows the answer to this) and this plays a large role in why he was bred much more. It wasn't simply marketing, the dog proved himself and his offspring have proven themselves! Miller's Silver Bullet is the highest producing All Age dog and he was bred a lot too. Do you think he may have been bred a lot due to the fact that he was a 25x champion and it was easy to see early on that he was producing great dogs or was Ferrell simply a great marketer?
In closing this is not meant to bash those other sons of FRB as I am a big fan of them. I have a dog here off Cookies-n-cream which is a sister to Turbo and I would like to try some of the High View blood thru Ranch One kennels. I think the Breeding Jess and Adrian is making is awesome and you will be doing fine getting a pup off that. I am not just an HTA fan, but more of a fan of the Addition's GoBoy/Fiddler crosses. Note that High View's CH Tribute's littermate sister produced CH Class a horseback shooting dog champion when bred to Addition's GoBoy. Good luck, SCK
