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BigShooter wrote:Like a lot of relationships, generally we want it all ... but after initially being enamored with looks ... long term ... what they are like on the inside, personality, intelligence, heart, etc. are the things you have to live with. If I can't have it all ... I"ll take a great working dog with a nice personality over a great looker that's a poor worker.
RayGubernat wrote:You bet I care.
I field trial my dogs in addition to hunting. A field trial is just as much of a beauty pageant as a conformation event.
The judges are just looking for a different kind of beauty.
But the dog had better catch your eye both when it is moving and when it is standing still. if it don't make you say "WOW", it probably won't make the judges say "wow" either. A clean bodied pointer makes a better presentation than one that is heavily marked and heavily ticked. It is also easier to pick out of the cover. A light colored setter makes a better presentation than a darker one with heavy, dark ticking. It is also A LOT easier to spot in cover. A slightly smaller dog that runs with an animated gait and a lot of foot speed looks better on a tight course in mixed to heavy cover. In wide open country the bigger dog with the ground eating gait will blow the doors off the smaller dog with the quick feet and getting left in the dust NEVER looks good.
So yes, it makes a difference to me but it is not as simple as height at shoulder and angle of the dangle.
RayG
DonF wrote:Sounds to me like there are a number of folks that would do exactly in reverse what the show people have done to different breeds of dogs.
BigShooter wrote:Like a lot of relationships, generally we want it all ... but after initially being enamored with looks ... long term ... what they are like on the inside, personality, intelligence, heart, etc. are the things you have to live with. If I can't have it all ... I"ll take a great working dog with a nice personality over a great looker that's a poor worker.
adogslife wrote:Conformation has more to do with performance than it does with looking good.
Any breeder who overlooks conformation does not have the best interest of that breed in mind
and that includes teeth and bite.



Can't say it any better...Any responsible breeder will breed for both and we will be able to have dogs that look like they should as well as work like they should.
Red wrote:Can't say it any better...Any responsible breeder will breed for both and we will be able to have dogs that look like they should as well as work like they should.

Have to call hogwash on that, sorry......
Bring the best conformed akc dogs to ames to run 3 hours.......
ultracarry wrote:RayGubernat wrote:You bet I care.
I field trial my dogs in addition to hunting. A field trial is just as much of a beauty pageant as a conformation event.The judges are just looking for a different kind of beauty.
A clean bodied pointer makes a better presentation than one that is heavily marked and heavily ticked. It is also easier to pick out of the cover. A light colored setter makes a better presentation than a darker one with heavy, dark ticking. It is also A LOT easier to spot in cover. RayG
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BigShooter wrote:ultracarry wrote:RayGubernat wrote:You bet I care.
I field trial my dogs in addition to hunting. A field trial is just as much of a beauty pageant as a conformation event.The judges are just looking for a different kind of beauty.
A clean bodied pointer makes a better presentation than one that is heavily marked and heavily ticked. It is also easier to pick out of the cover. A light colored setter makes a better presentation than a darker one with heavy, dark ticking. It is also A LOT easier to spot in cover. RayG
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Light coloring for field trialing is the same with a GSP ... so Ultracarry, what are you saying +1 to ?????????????
ultracarry wrote:Tommy: I almost threw up..... Show pointers are horrible looking when you look at the field bred.version
SCT wrote:YES, I care!!
fuzznut wrote:I do care what my dogs look like in the field and out of the field. They have to live with me, and I have to look at them for more months out of the year then they will work.
Working ability is always first, but there is no law that says i have to own an ugly dog who is a great working dog. I know many think the two cannot go hand in hand...but those folks have blinders on! IMO of course.
Having said that... small brag... my boy Louie is the first GWP Grand Ch/Dual Ch/NAFC yada, yada, yada! He came directly from our trainers home to the show where he won and finished his Grand Ch. Not a huge deal really, but always fun to be first!
fuzz
BigShooter wrote:Ultracarry,
Just having a little fun with your post. Been to a couple of field trials myself. You're probably familar with the last half doz. years or so NGSPA & GSPCA AA National Champs. Now what ratio of light to dark dogs do you recall? Of course these dogs have to still be goin' away at time.
Cajun Casey wrote:You know, the thing about jumping from one side of the fence to the other repeatedly is that, eventually, as my grandma said, you'll come down astraddle. Creating discord through comparison gains no one anything in the long run.
Cajun Casey wrote:Attempting to excel by forcing everything else below a certain level never works.
Must not have been speking to you so enough saidright there.Were you speaking of me? I don't recall jumping from one side of the fence to the other.
fuzznut wrote:I do care what my dogs look like in the field and out of the field. They have to live with me, and I have to look at them for more months out of the year then they will work.
Working ability is always first, but there is no law that says i have to own an ugly dog who is a great working dog. I know many think the two cannot go hand in hand...but those folks have blinders on! IMO of course.
Having said that... small brag... my boy Louie is the first GWP Grand Ch/Dual Ch/NAFC yada, yada, yada! He came directly from our trainers home to the show where he won and finished his Grand Ch. Not a huge deal really, but always fun to be first!
fuzz

tommyboy72 wrote:Cajun Casey wrote:You know, the thing about jumping from one side of the fence to the other repeatedly is that, eventually, as my grandma said, you'll come down astraddle. Creating discord through comparison gains no one anything in the long run.
Were you speaking of me? I don't recall jumping from one side of the fence to the other. See that little punctuation mark called a question mark in my first post. That meant I did not understand the statement and was asking if that was what was meant by the previous post. I was not trying to create discord by making a comparison. Sorry you automatically took it that way. Know what my grandma said about ASSUMING something? It makes a you know what of well I think you know the rest.Cajun Casey wrote:Attempting to excel by forcing everything else below a certain level never works.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_breeding
SetterNut wrote:I see no reason to settle of an ugly dog. There are lots of great bird dogs out there, that handle the bird well and look good doing it.
Now we may have different opinions of what good looking is:
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