JKP wrote:
Bill,
Your breed was founded by a bunch of PP owners over a 100 years ago. Where does the PP come from? What did they add in over the first 30-40 years to strengthen point and search? The DK!!! where did that come from???
I didnt know the PP had any DK/GSP blood, but was all Pudels (15) and Pointers (85)?...Correct me if Im wrong.
Fella...take it easy before you end up insulting yourself. So when they cross bred to get PP and DK....do you think they used the competition winners/most competitive Pointer kennels..... or some backyard fleabags from down the street????
I understand your point.
By the same token, why do trialers insist our HUNTING dogs are inferior to their trial dogs FOR Hunting?!
Youve taken wins over some Longtails in Hunting/shooting events and come out on top (3 wins in 10 years).
My dogs Grand Sire and German Import, Timo V Richtof, WON the Minnesota Open Pheasant Championship.
5 Longtails ahead of him had 0 finds. No Birds.
He ran Last, and Still won the entire event, finding more birds than all others. Just sayin.
Look, I am suspicious of all games when they become replacements for real evidence for ability "in der Praxis" (German for "under real hunting conditions"). I am just as concerned about versatile dogs from many breeds never hunting more than pen raised chickens and being touted as great hunting dogs....and that is happening all over the country.
As well you should be.
But the reality is that the vast majority of Trial dogs are Trialed ON Pen Raised birds.
Our own dogs pedigrees go back to Germany (few generations) and every dog there was tested ON Wild Game, as you well know, and still are.
You need to get some perspective...and balance. Things may not be perfect in FT land (and who ever said it is) but there are issues that are far clser to home you should be concerned about.
Ive had the snubs here from those that insult Standard testing, this is a Trial Biased board, and Im fine with that, I just try to point out the inconsistencies in their arguments, and their own shortcomings.
I never knew critiquing their sport as it relates TO Hunting dogs, was off limits.??
I did own a trial bred dog so I speak from experience.
Trialing has its place, but I think it also has alot of shortcomings. Events are competing with trialing as hunters want a different venue to play in with more reality and less pagaentry. I think extreme dogs also have their place but not the end all be all for the large majority of hunters and hunting.
Phez and grouse are the most widely hunted birds in this country. The Versatiles I use handle them just fine AND alot of other game too.
