GSP

[southwayno]

Is there as line of GSP that will air sent vrs ground scenting?

[Vonzeppelinkennels]

Most of todays GSPS scent air the old hound ground scenting type are the exception today not the norm.Most will still put their nose to the ground when tracking wounded game but hunt with high heads scenting the air.

[JIM K]

the top trainer,[old fart] like me said, GSP IS ANT EATER. NOSE TO GROUND.he only liked setters/pointers for bird hunting because they hunt with their nose up in air.

the dog i see most grouse hunting is GSP. so ant eating must work.

[Vonzeppelinkennels]

Well the old fart hasn't seen too many GSPS hunt for several yrs or else he can't see!!
I started in 1974 with the old roman nosed ground scenting hound type & she served me well at the time but like I said that is NOT the norm today.
I guess that makes me an old fart too,Hmmmm?

[JIM K]

Well the old fart hasn't seen too many GSPS hunt for several yrs or else he can't see!!
I started in 1974 with the old roman nosed ground scenting hound type & she served me well at the time but like I said that is NOT the norm today.
I guess that makes me an old fart too,Hmmmm?

the old fart is well known. i just cant remember his name on show .he was guest of BIRD DOGS FOREVER.HIS GUEST HOST had a GSP too.
i believe he was from north states,cant remember which.
he told storys of shooting 31 grouse with his dogs back in good days per day.now he said homes are now in his hunting area.
very sad.

but he said only good bird dogs are setters/pointers as they hold their heads high and have genes to do that and ANY ground sniffing dog is not good.

[ezzy333]

Well the old fart hasn't seen too many GSPS hunt for several yrs or else he can't see!!
I started in 1974 with the old roman nosed ground scenting hound type & she served me well at the time but like I said that is NOT the norm today.
I guess that makes me an old fart too,Hmmmm?

the old fart is well known. i just cant remember his name on show .he was guest of BIRD DOGS FOREVER.HIS GUEST HOST had a GSP too.
i believe he was from north states,cant remember which.
he told storys of shooting 31 grouse with his dogs back in good days per day.now he said homes are now in his hunting area.
very sad.

but he said only good bird dogs are setters/pointers as they hold their heads high and have genes to do that and ANY ground sniffing dog is not good.

I heard an olg guy say the world was flat and he must have come from the same school as your old guy. Too bad some old guys are not able to keep up. They just give all of us old guys a bad reputation.
Isn't it funny we quote old guys when they say something you like and then make fun of them when they say something you don't agree with. And in truth being old has nothing to do with it. He was just plain wrong no matter what his age.

Ezzy

[markj]

Back in the 80s I got a german bred gsp from a gent. That dog would walk along the fence line smelling, he would stop and point, I would go into the field and flush a bunch of pheasants....

[JIM K]

here is top expert on bird hunting talking about GSP and other bird dogs.
excuse me saying OLD FART ,like me but i could not remember his name and thought some EXPERTS on here would know this expert on bird dogs

here we go .
go to
http://www.birddogsafield.com
click on left episodes.
click on left 2011 shows
scroll down to line 8 and you will se his name BOB PAUCEK.
that is video.

[dakotashooter2]

Sounds like the dogs have the hunters trained. They smell them from the trail (easiest path) and let the hunter veture into the heavy cover to flush them................LOL..............

[Vonzeppelinkennels]

Well just because some one says it doesn't make so I don't care what kind of expert they are.On a video made back in the 90's by Bob Merkel & Mr Adams (I can''t remember his first name ATM) but both old experts I would say Bob Merkel said GSPS were the premier Bird Dogs in America today!! These are opinions not facts but the fact is if you go watch a few GSPS in the field today you will see for yourself they don't potter around with their nose on the ground & THAT IS A FACT!!

[rschmeider]

Is there as line of GSP that will air sent vrs ground scenting?

You have to do your research..In 1917 the Germans bred the Arkwright pointer(all black Ep) into the GSP to raise the head for air scenting.
These dogs were put into the stud books in 1934..This was still a developing breed up to the war..

The first GSP whelped in the USA was 1925 by Dr Charles Thorton..This lines haveing no Arkwright blood. and many others.

What i'm getting at ..We have all kinds of breeds of shorthairs in the US. and other countrys

IMO....If you want a raised head of the Gsp...You need to look up Ciro v Bichtelwald lines...Rusty will work,just not for me.

[hi-tailyn]

A friend that I train with has a 8 month old male that once air scent is noticed his nose goes high as it can and works with nose high into wind till he has bird pinned.

He is out of NFC FC Udibars Shoot the Moon and daughter of 2xNGDC-RU FC Eshods Revolution and 2xNGDC-RU FC AFC Eshods Arkansas Lady. Fun to watch him point birds.

Heading to NW ND next week to get him on lots of wild birds.

[DGFavor]

http://www.vimeo.com/36873458

[Vonzeppelinkennels]

Now Doug we know that's photoshoped,no GSP could get his nose out of the dirt to look like that!! Must be more POINTER then GSP & all the other smart a$$ remarks us GSP owners are pretty much used to by now even the ones you make about the mostly white ones!!

[JIM K]

[quote="Vonzeppelinkennels"]Now Doug we know that's photoshoped,no GSP could get his nose out of the dirt to look like that!! Must be more POINTER then GSP & all the other smart a$$ remarks us GSP owners are pretty much used to by now even the ones you make about the mostly white ones!! [/quote

BOB PAUCEK did say if GSP has more pointer in them they will hold their heads high.

[ezzy333]

Did Bob say anything about the foxhound blood in the pointers to get them to run? Maybe the GSP's could have gone the same route since running dogs usually have their heads up.

Ezzy

[BigShooter]

Doug can't appreciate this conversation 'cause he's not an old fart like the rest of us.

Just like dogs change range based upon the type of cover so it goes with scenting. They work differently based upon all of the things that affect scent: terrain, cover, type of bird, wind, moisture, temperature, etc. I can't recall the last dog I saw working a cattail slough with its head held high. It's not uncommon under certain conditions for dogs to work an area both with their nose to the ground & with head held high at different times. I know certain posters are more interested in stirring the pot than getting to the truth just like some people with big heads aren't smarter they are just thicker headed than others.

[hi-tailyn]

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Father and daughter.

Both parents are National Ch.

Daughter is putting it all together. Works with her head in the air.

[JIM K]

Doug can't appreciate this conversation 'cause he's not an old fart like the rest of us.

Just like dogs change range based upon the type of cover so it goes with scenting. They work differently based upon all of the things that affect scent: terrain, cover, type of bird, wind, moisture, temperature, etc. I can't recall the last dog I saw working a cattail slough with its head held high. It's not uncommon under certain conditions for dogs to work an area both with their nose to the ground & with head held high at different times. I know certain posters are more interested in stirring the pot than getting to the truth just like some people with big heads aren't smarter they are just thicker headed than others.

i watched some setters last year that held their heads high. but when grouse were in real thick stuff,THEY HAD A TOUGH TIME WITH HEAD UP.
BRIARS CUT THEM AND AFTER AWHILE THEY WOULD NOT GO INTO THAT STUFF, THEY HUNTED AROUND IT.

then i saw springer get into it and flushed a lot of grouse that setters could only hunt around edges.
i saw this with pheasants also.

this is what iliked about SMALL MUNSTERLANDER.
they hold their heads high in open areas and put nose down in briars and go right thru it.
i have small lab and he is very good on birds BUT cant get birds out of thick stuff, i have to go into it IF I CAN and usually come out cut to h. :roll:


i saw this at WARRIORSMARK and i had to have a SM.
type of grouse/pheasant hunting i do you need dog that will go into the briars like beagle and hunt/point with its head up in open.
setters/gsp have very hard time doing that do to their size and setters holding heads high.

yes, a dog can hold its head high and point grouse in thick stuff BUT WHO WANTS TO GO INTO THAT STUFF ALL DAY TO GET BIRD OUT OF IT. :roll:


i saw more birds taken by BEAGLES/springers ON PUBLICLAND THAN ANY OTHER DOG USED.

all dogs are fine but if you dont have dog that can get into briars bigtime on PUBLICLAND, you are going home with a empty bag.