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I just had a pair of Browning Upland pants delivered (pheasants forever) 5 inces to small in the waist and very cheap China made junk, I couldn't believe it, I sent them back and ordered LL Bean tecnical field pants I hope they are better quaility
Fester

Ive been loving the columbia briar shun pants i bought a few years ago.....they are a little heavy but they are warm.

Browning is a Japanese company so it doesn't surprise me but I would be interested to hear what you think of the LL Beans.

Brazosvalleyvizslas wrote:Browning is a Japanese company so it doesn't surprise me but I would be interested to hear what you think of the LL Beans.

Browning is owned by FN Herstal.....and is based in belgium.


Since 1997, Herstal Group has been 100% owned by the Walloon Region of Belgium. With manufacturing locations in Belgium, US, Portugal and Japan, the global Herstal Group provides employment to a workforce of about 2,400 people.

Ok, maybe I should have said that they are MADE in Japan. Feel better?

LL bean gortex upland field pants. 1/2 season on Phez and they are great, Its wet in Oregon/Washington and that is the best part about the pants(water resistant) In the briars/black berrys they are not that great.

Brazosvalleyvizslas wrote:Ok, maybe I should have said that they are MADE in Japan. Feel better?

Yup, Sure do.......

I've had good luck with Tru Spec BDU's. I had a few pairs and figured I might as well try them and they work perfect.

Fester wrote:I just had a pair of Browning Upland pants delivered (pheasants forever) 5 inces to small in the waist and very cheap China made junk, I couldn't believe it, I sent them back and ordered LL Bean tecnical field pants I hope they are better quaility
Fester

Still made in China or Indonesia.

I like the Cabelas Dry plus field pants, comfortable and seem pretty tough, going on three years with them.

I have a couple of phez hunts so far this year with LL Beans gortex upland. Love them so far. Leave next week for two camps and 9 days of hunting in SD, we'll see how they hold up but see no reason why they wouldn't.

I use to wear out a couple pair of Upland pants up to the knees every yr.I bought the LL Bean Tech Upland pants maybe 5 yrs ago & they are still going strong but I will be the first to admit & don't (can't) hunt anything like I use to.LL Bean probably has the best garauntee out there,they will replace or refund on items even a couple yrs old.I think you will be happy with the Tech Upland pants.

Every gortex item I get from Beans up to a few years ago ( I stopped buying anything at Beans) leaked or soaked through including my gortex upland pants, not the ones made now. But still. Same with boots always soak through. Yeh they replace them but I want them to work. Neve do.

The Upland Tech Pants are not goretex & in no way water proof.I think it would be very hard for goretex pants to stay waterproof in the covers I hunt anywhere but may be wrong.I'm just saying that the ones I bought have outlasted any other pair I ever owned but like I said they don't put through the same kind of use all the others did & I tried about everthing out there from Filson double tin to Wall Mart specials.

I'm still interested in McAlister Waxed Canvas Pants, look pretty sweet...anyone ever use them?

One option:
LL Bean
Standard hunting pant
Lightweight
Suspenders
No Goretex, no way and could not care less where they are manufactured.
Works in all conditions from October in the U.P. to January in Kansas and to the Appalatchians in between.

Fretting about pants...good lord.
Probably for the same reason we have the 28 gauge.

Mountaineer wrote:One option:
LL Bean
Standard hunting pant
Lightweight
Suspenders
No Goretex, no way and could not care less where they are manufactured.
Works in all conditions from October in the U.P. to January in Kansas and to the Appalatchians in between.

Fretting about pants...good lord.
Probably for the same reason we have the 28 gauge.

I buy Carhart bibs insulated and uninsulated and both work fine depending on the weather and they last for several years. I like the bibs for the extra pockets they give you.

Ezzy

Filson tin pants. I have used them for six years. Still water proof and never had anything penetrate them. Worth the money. Alittle stiff but they relax as they get used.

Carhart for me too. I have the bibs, coveralls and pants. Very tough and last a long long time.

Charlie

I'm a carhardt guy too.I feel that when asking permission for hunting it goes over a might bit better with the natural look,than jumping out of the truck like you just stepped out of the LL Bean catalog looking like a bird hunting pimp.

Wildweeds wrote:I'm a carhardt guy too.I feel that when asking permission for hunting it goes over a might bit better with the natural look,than jumping out of the truck like you just stepped out of the LL Bean catalog looking like a bird hunting pimp.

I gues looking like a bulldozer driver goes over a bit better
Fester

brad27 wrote:

That is a very good man right there
Fester

" I'm not a pimp"

Love that episode.

Fester wrote:

Wildweeds wrote:I'm a carhardt guy too.I feel that when asking permission for hunting it goes over a might bit better with the natural look,than jumping out of the truck like you just stepped out of the LL Bean catalog looking like a bird hunting pimp.

I gues looking like a bulldozer driver goes over a bit better
Fester

Had no idea we needed to apoligize for looking like someone that works for a living. I'll trust that working slob a lot further than the city sjicker with his new outfit that has never been used.

Ezzy

I havent had a problem with Cabela's rough neck pants in the ten years I have used them, Columbia's have been good too.

Actually, it is neither the LL Bean nor the Carhartt that tells the tale....the wear on each, does.

For me, bibs make the legs tired in steep terrain as much as chaps.
Pants a size or two larger than normal and 1" shorter with suspenders.....an ahhhh moment afield.
But, why fret over a pair of hunting slacks?
Caps, now there is the thing to fret over.

Thats exactly what it is Ezzy,these guys got cattle,horses and they are money,leave a gate open that's shut,or one closed that's supposed to be open,do some risque shooting around whatever,Tractors,barns,Leave garbage,drive where your not supposed to,all kinds of stuff.Yeah I work for a living and have for 30 of 43 years,done plenty of farming milking cows,farmers like farmers,makes no difference if it's dryland crops or beefcattle/dairy.When you know the rules and can look the look,talk the talk, your going to get to hunt way before the stockbroker who shows up in a shiny SUV pimped to the gills with the bean hardware and shooting glasses. Our shooting glasses are used at night after dark and dog chores are done.

ezzy333 wrote:

Fester wrote:

Wildweeds wrote:I'm a carhardt guy too.I feel that when asking permission for hunting it goes over a might bit better with the natural look,than jumping out of the truck like you just stepped out of the LL Bean catalog looking like a bird hunting pimp.

I gues looking like a bulldozer driver goes over a bit better
Fester

Had no idea we needed to apoligize for looking like someone that works for a living. I'll trust that working slob a lot further than the city sjicker with his new outfit that has never been used.

Ezzy

Caps you say........... only three to wear in eastern washington palouse, CAT,John Deere or WSU Cougar well worn of course.If your looking to hunt the Flying 5 Rodeo company land near the snake river the go to hat is Copenhagen Skoal Pro Rodeo

Mountaineer wrote:Actually, it is neither the LL Bean nor the Carhartt that tells the tale....the wear on each, does.

For me, bibs make the legs tired in steep terrain as much as chaps.
Pants a size or two larger than normal and 1" shorter with suspenders.....an ahhhh moment afield.
But, why fret over a pair of hunting slacks?
Caps, now there is the thing to fret over.

Beans tech pants and Cabela's briarguard pants work for me

I have tried the fancy pants and they never held up. Lately I have been wearing the Wrangler brush pants. Very comfortable and are good chore pants also. If I need more in the cold or wet I put on my trusty Wick chaps/ About $40 for the Wranglers. Pretty hard to beat.

Nothing will get to you in these multiflora roses, briars etc.

Filson Tin Cloth Brush Pant Style #14026

northern cajun wrote:Nothing will get to you in these multiflora roses, briars etc.

Filson Tin Cloth Brush Pant Style #14026

Filson make all there wool, waxed cotton and heavy garments in Seattle.


LL Bean

Old Town Canoes, many models and styles, Made in Old Town, Maine (off to a good start)
Aqua Bound Kayak paddles, Made in the U.S.A.
Harmony Kayak paddles, Made in the U.S.A.
L.L. Bean Urban Backpack, Made in the U.S.A.
Multi-Sport Drystuff sack, Made in the U.S.A.
Watersport Wear Windbreaker, Made in the U.S.A.
L.L. Bean classic Logo T-shirt, Made in China
L.L. Bean Stowaway Backpack, Made in Viet Nam
L.L. Bean Lady’s Backpack, Made in Viet Nam
L.L. Bean Mens Knit Shirts, Made in China
L.L. Bean Hooded Logo Sweatshirts, Made in India
L.L. Bean Boat and Tote Bag, Made in the U.S.A.
L.L. Bean Aluminum Bottle Canteens, Made in China
L.L. Bean Ditty Sack, Made in Seattle, Washington, U.S.A.
L.L. Bean Infinity Jugs, Made in China
Big Agnes Sleep Bags, Made in China
Gunn Creek Sleeping Bags, Made in China
Summit Sleeping Bags, Made in China
Life Preservers, Men’s, Women’s and Child’s all Made in China
L.L. Bean Helix Fishing Waders, Made in China
L.L. Bean Fishing Shoes, Made in China
L.L. Bean Flannel Shirts, Made in Viet Nam
L.L. Bean Tassel Loafers, Made in El Salvador
L.L. Bean Men’s Chino Pants, Made in India, and China
L.L. Bean Logo Flip Flops, Made in China
L.L. Bean Dockers Shoes, Made in China
L.L. Bean Men’s Boxer Shorts, Made in Sri Lanka
Over 40 Different Men’s Style and Brands of Socks, All Made in the U.S.A.
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Classic Maine Adirondack Double Wooden Rocker, Made in Viet Nam
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L.L. Bean Women’s Fleece Jackets, Made in El Salvador
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L.L. Bean Men’s Blazer, Made in Viet Nam
L.L. Bean Women’s Jeans, Made in Mexico
L.L. Bean Runabout Classic Cruiser Bike, Made In China and priced at $319.00
Fly rods, found a few Made in the U.S.A.
Fly Reels, All were Made in Korea
L.L. Bean Soy Candles, Made in the U.S.A.
L.L. Bean Moisturizing Lotion, Made in the U.S.A.

Carhartt outsources as well.

http://www.outsaurus.com/2011/06/11/out ... -carhartt/


Filson even does to some degree.

http://www.filson.com/filson/about-fils ... ucts-made/

I don't really care where they are made as long as the price and quality is good.

Well I got my fancy LLBean tech upland hunting pants made in Bangladesh, how nice, all I want to do is look sharp us folks here in the big city of Possum Trot Ky like to be snazzy when we hit the field, nothing like having a nice quiche and a latte and hitting the field in our new shiny LL Bean (made in Bangladesh ) apparel, I got mad at Carhart a few years ago when they sold us out, I guess iff'n you want made in USA products you better make them yourself

Due to competition from other apparel manufacturers and pressure to drive down prices, many of Carhartt's non-core apparel items have been increasingly outsourced abroad. Some countries where outsourcing is and has been done are: Honduras, Guatemala, Dominican Republic, China, and the Philippines.

In 1997, Carhartt built their first facility in Penjamo, Guanajauto, Mexico, and in December 2001 they opened a second plant about 30 miles away in the city of Irapuato, Guanajuato. In 2003, they purchased two additional facilities from the Labor Board of the state of Durango in an auction (these facilities had been owned by CHIC by HIS and had been abandoned). Carhartt now operates a total of 4 facilities in two Mexican states. Two sewing plants (with a cutting facility in Penjamo) are located in the central part of Mexico and a sewing/cutting facility along with a laundry/finishing/distribution center in Durango, Durango. They operate these plants with over 2,000 Mexican employees.

Carhartt's Mexican plants are "unionized" in the sense that they have a union registered on paper with the Mexican labor authorities but they run their operations like they were non-unionized plants. Carhartt continues to own and operate unionized cutting, sewing and distribution centers in the United States and Mexico, and offers a "Union-Made in USA" line of workwear through its retailers, but items like T-shirts, knit caps (and even some lower priced items such as chore coats) have been increasingly seen with labels from a foreign country, though most feature American-made fabrics and components. Carhartt has stated that its international suppliers must have Worldwide Responsible Apparel Production certification. All the Mexico plants were required to meet Worldwide Responsible Apparel Production (WRAP) certification.

A few of us were just commenting on the quality of Carhartt, which would be hard to beat. I think that is what the OP was wanting advise on, rather than where they were made.

Charlie

Been wearing Carhartt bibs for years, they hold up and are worth the money regardless of how many plants the company owns in other countries.

I gotta confess I have gone back to my carharts too they just work better for what I do plus the LL Bean pants are just a little to Michael Jackson lookin for me
Fester