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NFC Rawhide's Clown son

Post by Ahumphers91a » Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:31 pm

My friend sent me a picture of his Clown son. I thought I would post it for everyone so they can take a look.
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Re: NFC Rawhide's Clown son

Post by Wind Dancer Kennels » Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:43 pm

Ahumphers91a wrote:My friend sent me a picture of his Clown son. I thought I would post it for everyone so they can take a look.
Thanks,
Adam
Very nice! Looks just like his daddy on birds.
Loved watching Clown run when Don would bring him to Texas.

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Re: NFC Rawhide's Clown son

Post by bossman » Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:52 pm

Looks great! Love that tail !

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Post by azgspowner » Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:46 pm

Another Pic of Jester
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Re: NFC Rawhide's Clown son

Post by tfbirddog2 » Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:15 pm

I have the Clown line myself, there is just something about those dogs!
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Re: NFC Rawhide's Clown son

Post by TAK » Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:47 pm

So where is the other pups? Any females? Sorry late to the game but how many pups?

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Post by Cajun Casey » Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:03 pm

TAK wrote:So where is the other pups? Any females? Sorry late to the game but how many pups?
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Re: NFC Rawhide's Clown son

Post by TAK » Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:13 pm

Just one hmmm.... That blowes...

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Post by TAK » Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:26 pm

So who ownes this dog? Where is it at?

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Post by Ahumphers91a » Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:01 pm

My Friend Aaron owns him, he's co-owned with Ken Levy. There out in Arizona. the pup is almost 5 months. Yeah, only one pup. There was two, but the female didn't make it. They bred the semen to Ken Levy's Rusty bred bitch.

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Re: NFC Rawhide's Clown son

Post by azgspowner » Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:28 am

Jester anxiously awaiting his turn!
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Post by TAK » Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:48 am

Keep me informed of how he does... I have a perfect female to breed to him if he turns out...

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Re: NFC Rawhide's Clown son

Post by Runningdog » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:17 pm

will be looking for a pup this spring/summer luv to have the clown, dixieland rusty background...

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Post by azgspowner » Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:45 pm

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Post by azgspowner » Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:33 pm

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Post by azgspowner » Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:39 pm

More training
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Post by Brazosvalleyvizslas » Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:22 pm

If my info is correct and everything goes well, he will be the last breedable direct son of Clown. The puppy that I got from Ken has Clown, Rusty and Koonas in his Ped and so far he is a running fool.

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Re: NFC Rawhide's Clown son

Post by azgspowner » Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:35 pm

The pup you got from Ken is a half brother to Jester(same mother). Jester is 6 months old and yes once Jester is of breedable age he will be the last living breedable son of Rawhide's Clown.
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Re: NFC Rawhide's Clown son

Post by Brazosvalleyvizslas » Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:42 pm

And you, me and Ken will be talking. :D

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Jester 4-24-2013
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Re: NFC Rawhide's Clown son

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Re: NFC Rawhide's Clown son

Post by Sharon » Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:30 pm

I think this series of pics is very interesting, if I am dating them correctly.
In pic. one at 5 months he is on a CC
In last pic at 10 months he is on a CC

Just goes to remind me that there is NO HURRY to staunch up your dog, not even a dog with tremendous potential.
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Post by azgspowner » Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:31 pm

I completely agree, a lot of time money and effort went into producing Jester, and we want to bring him along at his pace.

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Re: NFC Rawhide's Clown son

Post by markj » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:15 pm

he will be the last breedable direct son of Clown
They out of straws now? I thought they had a few thousand kept from clown....

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Post by ultracarry » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:33 am

How can you tell if it really was from clown?

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Re: NFC Rawhide's Clown son

Post by kensfishing » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:37 am

ultracarry wrote:How can you tell if it really was from clown?
There are enough dogs from Clown that are DNA'd to know who it is from. If you've been around long enough most of the people on this forum would know this.

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Post by azgspowner » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:57 am

We all know that the best shorthairs come from pet stores

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Re: NFC Rawhide's Clown son

Post by ultracarry » Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:05 pm

Just a question that didn't get answered. Also there was anouther question above mine that didn't get answered also. Btw why would you breed soo early?

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Post by kensfishing » Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:24 pm

[quote="ultracarry"]Just a question that didn't get answered. Also there was anouther question above mine that didn't get answered also. Btw why would you breed soo early? The female is over two which was her first litter. As far as the male it was to answer a question I had and it was done. There's no set guidelines as far as breeding male dogs, it happens all the time. It's okay to breed a young female with a JH title and nothing else. Don't tell me once you came of age you didn't try with a female. Or who ever. Of course with your expertise on training and raising dogs you could answer your own question

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Re: NFC Rawhide's Clown son

Post by markj » Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:50 pm

Interesting, hows things kensfishing?

I wonder tho how many straws that may or may not be available from clown? Mrs. Paltani is still doing the kennel last I heard. Altho not clown lines..

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Post by kensfishing » Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:08 pm

Doing good Mark. Miss being at Branched Oak, but don't miss the muggy weather out there. We won't have bad weather til next month, but it only lasts til the middle of Sept. or first of Oct. Then it's nice again. I'll be heading to the White Mountains to train for this next trial season in the next month.

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Post by Elkhunter » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:07 pm

I know there are no set guidelines on breeding male dogs, but I would bet 99.99 percent of birddogdom would agree that a 10 month old male puppy is probably a little young to be breeding regardless of who his daddy is... In all reality how proven can a 10 month old puppy be? But I can answer that question on my own! :)

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Post by ezzy333 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:17 pm

Elkhunter wrote:I know there are no set guidelines on breeding male dogs, but I would bet 99.99 percent of birddogdom would agree that a 10 month old male puppy is probably a little young to be breeding regardless of who his daddy is... In all reality how proven can a 10 month old puppy be? But I can answer that question on my own! :)
There are no rules for either male or female but common sense should prevail. Since we know dogs hips should be tested and that doesn't happen till the dog is 2 years old, responsible breeding has basically been delayed till at least that time. From there it is up to the breeder as to waiting till the dog proves it is worthy of being bred. And that is done by reading a pedigree.

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Post by Ms. Cage » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:41 pm

ezzy333 wrote:responsible breeding has basically been delayed till at least that time. From there it is up to the breeder as to waiting till the dog proves it is worthy of being bred. And that is done by reading a pedigree.
Why would the pedigree make the deference
ezzy333 wrote: Since we know dogs hips should be tested and that doesn't happen till the dog is 2 years old,
Unless you have the dog penn hipped. i beleive that can be done as early as 4 months.

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Post by ezzy333 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:51 pm

Sorry, I meant it can't be done by reading a pedigree.

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Post by jimbo&rooster » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:58 pm

Ms. Cage wrote:
ezzy333 wrote:responsible breeding has basically been delayed till at least that time. From there it is up to the breeder as to waiting till the dog proves it is worthy of being bred. And that is done by reading a pedigree.
Why would the pedigree make the deference
ezzy333 wrote: Since we know dogs hips should be tested and that doesn't happen till the dog is 2 years old,
Unless you have the dog penn hipped. i beleive that can be done as early as 4 months.

My understanding was that while they could do the hips early they couldnt be certified until the dog was 2.....

Im not sure I agree with breeding to a 10mo old dog just because of its pedigree, I dont care who its out of..... pictures on a CC dont prove a thing about potential.

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Post by Ms. Cage » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:40 pm

jimbo&rooster wrote:My understanding was that while they could do the hips early they couldnt be certified until the dog was 2.....
taken from Penn Hip home page. PennHIP incorporates a new method for evaluating the integrity of the canine hip. It is accurate in puppies as young as 16 weeks of age. It has great potential to lower the frequency of CHD when used as a selection criterion.

One of the pups from our last litter was x-rayed and rated by Penn Hip at 14 mths.

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Post by jimbo&rooster » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:48 pm

Ms. Cage wrote:
jimbo&rooster wrote:My understanding was that while they could do the hips early they couldnt be certified until the dog was 2.....
taken from Penn Hip home page. PennHIP incorporates a new method for evaluating the integrity of the canine hip. It is accurate in puppies as young as 16 weeks of age. It has great potential to lower the frequency of CHD when used as a selection criterion.

One of the pups from our last litter was x-rayed and rated by Penn Hip at 14 mths.
Thats good to know, last time I looked into it they told me 2yrs.

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Post by ultracarry » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:16 pm

azgspowner wrote:We all know that the best shorthairs come from pet stores
I'm sure they all don't, but maybe I just got lucky.
Sure didn't spend 2500 on a dog that was wearing a check cord at 10 months so I could take a perdy picture to justify the price and breeding of said dog though. Nope, she stood on her own and required little training. But then again I don't know what to do or how to do it according to your partner. Maybe he's biased or feeling guilty for the outcome of that breeding and the cost.

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Post by cjhills » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:35 am

Ms. Cage wrote:
jimbo&rooster wrote:My understanding was that while they could do the hips early they couldnt be certified until the dog was 2.....
taken from Penn Hip home page. PennHIP incorporates a new method for evaluating the integrity of the canine hip. It is accurate in puppies as young as 16 weeks of age. It has great potential to lower the frequency of CHD when used as a selection criterion.

One of the pups from our last litter was x-rayed and rated by Penn Hip at 14 mths.
Penn Hip has some issues with it's grading system, which is a comparison of the dog with other dogs of the same breed. They don't have a large enough data base at this time to really tell much. plus some vets are very expensive. If you are doing it shop for price. I found $500 differences. If the dog is 24 months you can also OFA at the same time.
OFA will prelim at six months and have a high degree of accuracy later in life. If you have a competent vet and have seen a lot of hip radiographs you can read them yourself. It is not the certification that counts, it is the hip structure. Have to be a very special pup to breed at 10 months. Cj

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Re: NFC Rawhide's Clown son

Post by Johng918 » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:34 am

You come on a public forum with crazy talk of breeding a puppy and even admit it was on purpose so you you can find something out then talk about someone else's dog training skills? What about responsable pet owner skills? Your right you've got to live with it because you can't fix stupid.

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Post by ezzy333 » Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:20 am

Possibly the rest of you can have a decent conversation and keep this thread on topic. The other two who tried to take it over will have a short period off to get their emotions under control.

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Post by kensfishing » Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:41 am

He ran four events in two days and took a first in amt derby second in open puppy a third in open derby and a fourth in amt. puppy. Almost all of them were back to back. This pup in derby had broke finds with a stolen point by another dog and stood til I took him off. This happened a couple of times.

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Post by markj » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:04 am

Sounds like a good one. Have fun.

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Re: NFC Rawhide's Clown son

Post by Hattrick » Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:13 am

Power of the pedigree. If its from a consistence line bred breeding you should no what you have with a 10 month old pup. Having said this im speaking from line breeding and no nothing about this clown dog. And at 10 months old i think you no if hes a keeper or not.

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