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Looks like there are 410 entries for the HRC International Grand Hunting Retriever Championship for next month . ! . !
Running order is not up yet (still being worked on), but all the entries are posted on the HRC Website.



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I forgot to mention that a number of the dogs entered will be Pointing Labradors
Of course, PLs also run and do well in AKC Field Trials, AKC Hunt Tests, HRC Retriever Hunt Tests, HRC Upland Tests, NAHRA Field Tests ----------- ad nauseum.



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Wow who knew...
when you mention pl's do well in akc field trials do you refer to pointing dog trials ? I would like to hear about those

Chukar12 wrote:Wow who knew...
when you mention pl's do well in akc field trials do you refer to pointing dog trials ? I would like to hear about those

No, I was talking about AKC Retriever Field Trials.
They aren't allowed in Pointing dog Field Trials, as PLs are not a pointing breed.



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ahh very well,
that's what my remembrance was, but what we are calling them and your extensive endorsement had me confused.

Joe, Doc laid the bait right there for ya...you sniffed it like dog, and then hiked your leg on it.....proud of ya man.

Chukar12 wrote:ahh very well,
that's what my remembrance was, but what we are calling them and your extensive endorsement had me confused.

My "extensive endorsement" said (many times) that PLs aren't a pointing breed.
They are a Retriever that points instead of flushes.

BTW, HRC and NAHRA do allow "pointy breeds" to run in their Retriever Tests.



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They aren't allowed in Pointing dog Field Trials, as PLs are not a pointing breed.

Maybe you should stop calling them Pointing labs then. Save people the confusion. Maybe use point as a verb instead of an adjective.

It is unfortunate for those owners of "pointy labs" that they will not be able to add an HRC Upland Hunting Test title to their dogs. The test designed by hunters for hunters with utter disregard to any registry or breed association.

brad27 wrote:

They aren't allowed in Pointing dog Field Trials, as PLs are not a pointing breed.

Maybe you should stop calling them Pointing labs then. Save people the confusion. Maybe use point as a verb instead of an adjective.

I didn't come up with the terminology.
I wouldn't mind at all if they were called Labs that Point.


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Come on over to the AF and we will take ALL the PL entries you can flood us with. Wont have a chance of winning but the entry fees wouldnt hurt.

topher40 wrote:Come on over to the AF and we will take ALL the PL entries you can flood us with

100% BS............. AF will not allow non AF accepted breeds (of which Labs are one) to participate.
Quit lying



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Doc E wrote:

topher40 wrote:Come on over to the AF and we will take ALL the PL entries you can flood us with

100% BS............. AF will not allow non AF accepted breeds (of which Labs are one) to participate.
Quit lying



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The FDSB is an all breed registry and for enough money, I bet they'd register a Pointing Schnoodle.

I will take your entry and you won't have to run against 409 other dogs

myerstenn wrote:I will take your entry and you won't have to run against 409 other dogs

Recognized (licensed) trial ? if so, which registry ?



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I wouldn't doubt you might be able to register them FDSB and run aftca af trials.

Doc E wrote:I forgot to mention that a number of the dogs entered will be Pointing Labradors
Of course, PLs also run and do well in AKC Field Trials, AKC Hunt Tests, HRC Retriever Hunt Tests, HRC Upland Tests, NAHRA Field Tests ----------- ad nauseum.



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Who are the most prominent FC/AFC pointing labs?

nikegundog wrote:Who are the most prominent FC/AFC pointing labs?

Currently, the most prominent one is
AFC-CFC-CAFC-GMPR-MHR Jazztime Last Chance v Pekisko (Chance)



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How many days does it take to run 410 dogs?

topher40 wrote:Come on over to the AF and we will take ALL the PL entries you can flood us with. Wont have a chance of winning but the entry fees wouldnt hurt.

Then ya'll would be crying that "bleep" pointy lab cleaned the course of birds......

That's what they say when I run my munsterlander lol.

I GUARANTEE you that you are ABLE to run in AF trial. Registering with the American Field is another story. The AFTCA has no rules that you cannot run the dog. If you dont believe me I WILL take your entry right now for my fall trial. You will not receive a win certificate but you would be awarded any prize that would be awarded IF you were to place the dog.

Doc E wrote:

topher40 wrote:Come on over to the AF and we will take ALL the PL entries you can flood us with

100% BS............. AF will not allow non AF accepted breeds (of which Labs are one) to participate.
Quit lying

Would you like to apologize ?

Ezzy

Vision wrote:How many days does it take to run 410 dogs?

The dogs are split into 4 Flights.
All 4 groups run (different courses) at the same time. Two judges and one HRC Rep for each group.
The number of dogs gets considerably smaller each day (only takes ONE major goof or two minor goofs to be eliminated).
So, it's 4 days of Hunting Retriever stuff (Land -- Water -- Land --Water) and day 5 is Upland.
Last fall, 387 dogs were entered..................19 got the Grand Hunting Retriever Champion title ... You have to pass the Grand twice to get the title.
So, it takes at least 5 days to complete the Grand.

In the retriever world, it's definitely the best of the best. An average of 20% will pass the Grand.
In the AKC Master National (the AKC equivalent of the HRC Grand) the pass rate is about 50%.


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topher40 wrote:I GUARANTEE you that you are ABLE to run in AF trial. Registering with the American Field is another story. The AFTCA has no rules that you cannot run the dog.

Excatly -- so what difference would it make ----------- none.



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ezzy333 wrote:

Doc E wrote:

topher40 wrote:Come on over to the AF and we will take ALL the PL entries you can flood us with

100% BS............. AF will not allow non AF accepted breeds (of which Labs are one) to participate.
Quit lying

Would you like to apologize ?

Ezzy

Which one of us ?
The BSer or the Caller Outer ?

It is not difficult to record your wins. Win enough and people will notice. There would be nothing stopping another registry from recording your wins in aftca, just fdsb may or may not do it.

Doc E wrote:

ezzy333 wrote:

Doc E wrote:

100% BS............. AF will not allow non AF accepted breeds (of which Labs are one) to participate.
Quit lying

Would you like to apologize ?

Ezzy

Which one of us ?
The BSer or the Caller Outer ?

Send your money with a copy of your AKC registration certificate and the American Field will register your dog - they are an all breed registry. Don't know who you are trying to BS Doc E.

The AFTCA rules for acquiring a win certificate say nothing at all about breed, only that the dog needs an FDSB registration number.

slistoe wrote: Send your money with a copy of your AKC registration certificate and the American Field will register your dog - they are an all breed registry. Don't know who you are trying to BS Doc E.

I tried that a few years ago................... No go.


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--Doc-
I still havent heard from you concerning your entry in my trial this fall. Maybe I should have included my number, 785-288-0461. The details arent all ironed out as of yet and the ad hasnt appeared in the field so I understand that you may have been waiting to see the ad to enter. I will give you a quick rundown of the present information:

The Brown County Field Trial Club (ks) will be hosting the 2nd Annual "Cara Kroll Memorial Walking Shooting Dog Classic" to be held in Oct/Nev of 2013 just outside of Fairview Ks. Accompanying stakes will be the walking derby, walking puppy( if time allows), gun dog stake (time allowing). Entry fee of 80.00 for the Shooting dog. Sponsors include Farm-Tek, Gundogsupply.com, CEK kennels/Gamebirds, Nutrisource pet foods. Please call entries to Chris E. Kroll @ 785-288-0461. Judges to be announced

Call me on my BS and I will take your entry. Even better I will let you run

EIGHTY BUCKS? Are the birds gold plated?

Its a one hour continuous course trial with a good number of wild birds supplemented by pen raised. Not to mention a classic and counts more for dog of the year points.

topher40 wrote:--Doc-
I still havent heard from you concerning your entry in my trial this fall.

When "this fall".Will be hunting here starting SEP 1 and will be at the Fall grand (in Iowa) a couple weks in October.
Then it's back to pure hunting thru the last weekend of JAN.
Other than the Grand, we do not do any testing/trialing during hunting season.



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October or November, let me know what weekend works best for you and I will put in a request for those dates.

topher40 wrote:October or November, let me know what weekend works best for you and I will put in a request for those dates.

As I already said, "Will be hunting here starting SEP 1 and will be at the Fall grand (in Iowa) a couple weeks in October.
Then it's back to pure hunting thru the last weekend of JAN.Other than the Grand, we do not do any testing/trialing during hunting season".

Hunting season for us is SEP 1 thru the last weekend of JAN.
So, NO WEEKEND during SEP - OCT - NOV - DEC - JAN will work.
Yes, we have 5 full months of hunting out here.


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You dont have to come to my trial, I am sure some of the other clubs would let you run. Try ANY weekend in Feb-May in the spring. Your bluff has been called so dont hide behind a schedule full of hunting.

Doc E wrote:

Vision wrote:How many days does it take to run 410 dogs?

(only takes ONE major goof or two minor goofs to be eliminated)

Define what a major goof is, and what a minor goof is for me please?

How many people are at events like this?

Vision wrote:

Doc E wrote:

Vision wrote:How many days does it take to run 410 dogs?

(only takes ONE major goof or two minor goofs to be eliminated)

Define what a major goof is, and what a minor goof is for me please?

How many people are at events like this?

There are 410 dogs entered. Many of them will be handled by Pros. A person (pro) can enter as many as 12 dogs. Most have fewer than that. I'd say the average pro will have 5 dogs to run. So as far as people (not counting observors) running dogs, probably 85% - 90% will be pros. the rest will be amateurs.

There are many "goofs".

The rules at the Grand are much tougher than a weekend Test
So these are just a couple examples.
Minor : From the time you leave from the holding blind, you can only say "HEEL" once
When you get to the line, you can only say "SIT" once.
When the birds go down, your dog creeps out a couple feet.

Major : The dog breaks when the birds go down
The "honor dog" interferes with the "working dog"
On a Blind Retrieve, the dog blows you off more than twice
On Marked Retrieves, you have to handle the dog to a Fall on more than one bird (there will be at least 14 birds to retrieve in the first 4 days)
The dog 'switches' on the Diversion Bird
The dog establishes a hunt on one bird --- then leaves the area and picks up a different bird.

Gobs and Gobs of things that will eliminate a dog...... Or handler, because Gun Safety is scored as stringently as the dog work.

There's good reason that it's called "The Grand".


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