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AKC and No answere on Assult against Judge

Post by hi-tailyn » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:35 pm

Has anyone heard or read any result on the AKC misconduct proceeding that happened this past Feb. in GA with a Pro Trainer/ IA wirehair Chairman that assaulted and sent the Judge of the stake that was just finishing up, yet to announce placements which this person didn't agree with, from their trial to the hospital with rib trauma and bloody nose. This was observed by other committee members, but nothing was done.

The judge went to committee which was gathered to announce placements and said he wanted to file Misconduct Charges at that time.

They even proceeded with the trial as if nothing had happened. :roll:


I have looked at the AKC Secretary Report which lists all Misconduct and nothing has been reported. It has been 7months and no results.

I'm not involved with any of this, just a concerned field trialer, and judge when needed.

AKC is usually quicker at getting assault Misconduct taken care of.

Point in case: I was at the GSPCA Futurity and had a thug assault myself with jabs to my torso. Was observed by several other field trialers, and Misconduct charges were filed that day. With in 1 month phone calls and interviews were concluded and a 3 yr suspension and $1000 fine was issued to this person. (AKC did allow this person to re own all his co-owned dogs to others during this 1 mth time frame. Thus they were able to continue to trial all their dogs during the suspension period.)

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Post by Ricky Ticky Shorthairs » Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:22 am

That individual you speak of has been cleared of all charges by AKC and the state of Georgia. Careful with slanderous statements Scott. Your time line is NOT correct. As is your account of the incident.

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Post by GrayDawg » Tue Sep 16, 2014 4:51 am

Ricky Ticky Shorthairs wrote:That individual you speak of has been cleared of all charges by AKC and the state of Georgia. Careful with slanderous statements Scott. Your time line is NOT correct. As is your account of the incident.
Curious........... were you there? Did you personally witness the incident in question?
If not, then your account of what happened isn't any more accurate than Scott's and possibly less accurate
as you are going on hearsay.

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Re: AKC and No answere on Assult against Judge

Post by hi-tailyn » Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:02 am

If the judge ended up at the hospital with trauma then there was a assault.

I had it happen to myself and know personally how assault misconduct works.

Or is this Assault being swept under the AKC rug because of who the attacker knows.

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Post by fuzznut » Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:21 am

As Ricky Tricky replied- This has been cleared with the AKC, in the GA court system, and with the Club in question.

There is apparently a vendetta being spurred on by a couple of individuals who will not be happy until they ruin this person both personally and monetarily. Shame on them!

I have seen all the paperwork, the hospital reports and the court documents.

Give it up, get on with running dogs.

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Post by Ricky Ticky Shorthairs » Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:45 am

Rob - All you have to do is read the reports. It's in black and white. Both AKC and Georgia legal system.

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Post by Ricky Ticky Shorthairs » Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:47 am

Scott - Tell your buddy Ray that he needs a new hobby, and to stop slandering a good man.

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Re: AKC and No answere on Assult against Judge

Post by hi-tailyn » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:29 am

I have looked on AKC and there was nothing saying it was clear.

Just curious for myself, not anyone else. How a assault can happen and participant needs to go to hospital. Was there a club Misconduct hearing? Or was the club looked at for a Misconduct. In our club we take these situations Very seriously. We would stop the trial and take care of business at that time. Rules are rules.

We had a club member yell at another participant and he was suspended and fined. How does a fist fight and blood not constitute a Misconduct to One or Both parties involved.

Just seems out of whack with usual action of akc.

If you have any B & W info that you could share that justice is done. Either way, it would be appreciated.

Looking for a little transparency to the event.

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Post by fuzznut » Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:20 pm

feel free to contact him and ask him to send you all the reports. Might be better to go to the source rather then trying to find out these things this way.

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Post by RayGubernat » Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:44 pm

hi-tailyn wrote:I have looked on AKC and there was nothing saying it was clear.

Just curious for myself, not anyone else. How a assault can happen and participant needs to go to hospital. Was there a club Misconduct hearing? Or was the club looked at for a Misconduct. In our club we take these situations Very seriously. We would stop the trial and take care of business at that time. Rules are rules.

We had a club member yell at another participant and he was suspended and fined. How does a fist fight and blood not constitute a Misconduct to One or Both parties involved.

Just seems out of whack with usual action of akc.

If you have any B & W info that you could share that justice is done. Either way, it would be appreciated.

Looking for a little transparency to the event.
hi-tailn -

I was not there and I am not a legal beagle or anything, but if someone takes a swipe at me and I clean their clock and put them in the hospital...THAT is self defense, plain and simple. If I choose not to press charges, there is no assault and battery on either party.

I would check my facts. Folks have a way of twisting things to suit themselves, especially when they ain't entirely in the right.

I would say that if the field trial committee and the AKC and the law decided that there was nothing to pursue, there very probably was nothing to pursue.

Let us know what you find out, one way or another. That would be the right thing to do, especially if your initial allegations turn out to be false.

RayG

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Post by hi-tailyn » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:57 pm

I'm not for or against either party. We have talked about this event at our club meeting and was curious as to the outcome. Would prefer to see the results in B&W. If it was self defense then I would have no problem posting the results.

I do know that the judge has gotten a lawyer and is pursuing results with akc and the person who assaulted him. So I guess on one side it is not over.

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Re: AKC and No answere on Assult against Judge

Post by jhoughton » Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:42 am

All,

Please be careful as you respond to Scott's request and take a second to read his question. A simple request of what the outcome was is all that was asked. I have read all of the secretary notes and to the best of my knowledge, the outcome of this was never documented. Why did I personally care and took the time to read the secretary notes you may ask...because this happened in my backyard where my family for the last decade has attended field trials. I do not have a dog in this hunt and have known both parties for a long time. The fact that the AKC never published the results is concerning to me also. Do I care about the outcome? Nope (I assume the AKC did due diligence and acted appropriately). Do I care that this was dealt with in accordance with AKC policy and procedures? Yes. Am I in a any way stating it was not dealt with appropriately and in a timely manner? No...so please do not assume I have made any accusations other than I am unable to find the written outcome in the secratary notes.

Ricky Ticky...do you have any proof of Slander? Unsubstantiated written claims of slander are libel by nature. I do not believe any specific names were written in this thread, but you personally took the time to call out Ray? And what exactly does Ray have to do with this inquiry or any of the events that happened? So quickly and easily you try to make this personal.

Simple facts here folks...an incident happened at a field trial, both men were not in any way reprimanded by the AKC but the incident and results were not documented as are all other incidents in the Secretary notes. It draws attention to itself because the outcome was not published. Why does this specific incident and the lack of documentation draw so much attention? Because everyone knows the relationship one of the gentlemen has with a specific person at the AKC. It gives the appearance that this was swept under the rug by the AKC. Regardless of whether this omission was intentional or not, it still draws suspicion and that is all it draws.

And before everyone starts firing personal remarks at me...I have never said a bad thing in writing or verbally about either of the men involved in the incident. As I stated earlier, I have known both of them for a long time. One of them has run a dog for me and I can't even recall how many hours I have spent in the saddle scouting for the other. The only negative thing I have ever said about this incident is that I do not agree with how the field trial committee dealt with this at the time of the incident. I still stick to my guns that both parties should have been escorted off the property until a time that all facts were captured and a fact based decision on the sequence of events could be driven. This is a family sport and should be treated as such.

Regards...Jay

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Post by fuzznut » Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:05 am

https://images.akc.org/pdf/rulebooks/RDMSC4.pdf


Jay, have you called AKC with these questions? I suggest you contact the legal department, that is where all misconduct hearing are dealt with.

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Post by dan v » Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:23 am

I had to write a dog up for fighting last weekend.....and in the back of my mind was what could happen as I stroll through the parking area after the paperwork was done.

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Post by JKP » Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:25 am

In my experience, you need to be careful with "after the fact" accounts. The only reliable information is that which folks are ready to swear to...and often that gets thin after the heat of the moment.

Must say....sounds like tempers and fisticuffs are more of a danger in your competitive venues....think I'll stick with my lowly Vdog tests....don't need any more dental work!!! :lol: :lol:

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Post by fuzznut » Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:56 am

First maybe some of the "facts" that have been put on this page need to be set straight. These are from the Committee Reports and Witness accounts.
The judge went to committee which was gathered to announce placements and said he wanted to file Misconduct Charges at that time.
Charges were not filed until 3 pm of the following day. In fact, the "judge" continued to run dogs following the incident and was braced with the other person. This is in all of the committee reports.
assaulted and sent the Judge of the stake that was just finishing up, yet to announce placements which this person didn't agree with, from their trial to the hospital with rib trauma and bloody nose. This was observed by other committee members, but nothing was done.
Judge went to the ER on 10/12 two days after the alleged incident. Report of doctor- no broken ribs on X-ray. moderate discomfort of patient

There are also photos of the judge which show no visible trauma to the face, no bruising, no red marks......

Again, all of these reports can be made available to you if you contact the person involved. I am sure he would be more then happy to send them to you. AKC was involved with every step of the process.

Did something happen there that should never have happened? Yes. Was it handled properly? According to the Misconduct Rules, AKC and the GA court system. Yes. Will the friends and clients of certain folks never let this go? Apparently so.

Ar there innuendoes being made here that are inappropriate? Yes.

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Post by Ricky Ticky Shorthairs » Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:57 am

Pm sent Jhoughton

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Post by Ricky Ticky Shorthairs » Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:59 am

The truth prevails.

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Post by gonehuntin' » Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:09 am

This is one of the oddest threads there has ever been on here. Either the AKC investigated the charges and documented them, or it didn't. Either the state of Georgia filed charges or it didn't. It should all be a matter of public record IF ANY CHARGES WERE FILED.

I don't get it. It happened or it didn't.

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Post by shags » Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:56 am

The alleged victim could have contacted AKC legal dept if the issue was not properly handled by the FT committee. Then the whole wad of them would have been been charged with something.

If the alleged victim decided not to go forward with his complaint, that should be enough for everyone else, too. However, IMO, if this incident happened during an event, in front of competitors and visitors, it could be deemed as detrimental or prejudicial to the sport and any participant could also bring this to the attention of AKC. If it's that important and upsetting, do it; if you don't want to stick your neck out, then don't stir it up expecting others to do so.

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Re: AKC and No answere on Assult against Judge

Post by hi-tailyn » Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:14 pm

jhoughton; you stated the issue much clearer then I did. Thanks.

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Did something happen there that should never have happened? Yes. Was it handled properly? According to the Misconduct Rules, AKC and the GA court system. Yes. Will the friends and clients of certain folks never let this go? Apparently so.

Ar there innuendoes being made here that are inappropriate? Yes.[/quote]

Was it handled properly?

Did they have a committee Misconduct meeting there on the grounds with the members that were present at the time of the event per Rules of Misconduct?

Did they vote that there actually was a Misconduct and what were their findings. Was it one person or two that were in the wrong. What was the suggested penalty for the offender/'s.

I have looked at the last 7 months of akc Misconduct notices and there is nothing listed. So it must still be pending.

As I stated before just looking for some Transparency in this issue and event for myself.

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Post by fuzznut » Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:57 pm

What part of YES do you not understand? Not sure it can be made any clearer then YES.

As I said, call AKC and ask them if you are so interested in finding out any more information. Why do you think the rest of us should do your work for you?

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Post by dan v » Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:19 pm

hi-talyn,

It's been a long time since I Chaired a AKC Misconduct hearinf, but as I recall, the committee just makes a finding, either the charge is upheld or it isn't. The penalty is in the hands of AKC.

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Post by cjhills » Wed Sep 17, 2014 4:04 pm

Whether the charge is upheld by the committee or not if there is a hearing, the report needs to be sent to AKC by the trial Secretary and certain guidelines need to be followed. One is that the party who is charged with misconduct needs to be notified in writing and given time to decide on a defense. So the hearing can not be immediate. Most trial or test committees do not follow the rules very closely, that can cause issues. But if there was a hearing AKC should be have a record ..............................Cj

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Post by hi-tailyn » Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:58 pm

fuzznut wrote:What part of YES do you not understand? Not sure it can be made any clearer then YES.

As I said, call AKC and ask them if you are so interested in finding out any more information. Why do you think the rest of us should do your work for you?
I have not found any info on akc site saying dismissed or pending.

You say you have viewed all this material, then please share with the rest of the group. You are the only one that says it is dismissed.

It shouldn't be this hard to find the info unless there is none.

I'm going to call Doug at akc in next couple days, but any other time if I was not involved in the event they would not disclose any info about it. Will see how it goes.

Heard from a board member the gspca is also looking to this event also.

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Post by duckn66 » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:19 pm

hi-tailyn wrote:If the judge ended up at the hospital with trauma then there was a assault.

I had it happen to myself and know personally how assault misconduct works.

Or is this Assault being swept under the AKC rug because of who the attacker knows.

Actually would have been a battery. :lol:

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