Best sources for learning EP bloodlines?
Best sources for learning EP bloodlines?
I've been reviewing some old threads on here on pointer lines, including viewtopic.php?f=69&t=34930&hilit=phantom&start=100 and also this one on the fieldtrialer site, http://thefieldtrialer.com/forum/viewto ... 12&t=2348s , and am clearly way over my head in terms of understanding the different combinations. Any suggestions people could give as far as getting more up to speed would be appreciated, whether there are some good primers out there, or I just need to plug away studying for a while, etc. Thx!
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More up to speed....on combinations??? Could you be more specific as to what you are trying to learn??
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Do you subscribe to the American Field?
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http://www.thefieldtrialer.com/forum/vi ... =12&t=2348
Lots of reading and stories on pointers and setters.
Lots of reading and stories on pointers and setters.
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Re: Best sources for learning EP bloodlines?
I suggest that you start here:
http://www.fieldtrialpointers.net/PBA.HTML
Read through it and read though the following almanacs. It was edited and updated more or less every five or ten years until 2000.
The info is dated, and mostly focused on all age sires, but there is nothing else like it available. Since it goes back to dogs that were active in the seventies and eighties, it will give you a sense of which dogs folks are talking about when they say Rebel bred or Evolution bred, etc. A historical perspective on field trial performance dogs, if you will.
Then I would CAREFULLY read Stephen Bell's treatise on pointer lines, both sire lines and dam lines. It is available on one of the other forums. If you don't have some familiarity with pointer lines, there is no way you will follow steeple's information, but if you do, it is a treasure of field trial pointer breeding history. I have read it twice.. so far... and refer to it frequently.
Another interesting pedigree piece is contained in the book "Snakefoot". Mr. Whele traces the breeding of his champion, Snakefoot, all the way back to when he started breeding pointers. Although I understand the pedigree presented in the book may not be 100% correct, it is, nevertheless a valuable history lesson in pointer breeding.
Have fun.
RayG
http://www.fieldtrialpointers.net/PBA.HTML
Read through it and read though the following almanacs. It was edited and updated more or less every five or ten years until 2000.
The info is dated, and mostly focused on all age sires, but there is nothing else like it available. Since it goes back to dogs that were active in the seventies and eighties, it will give you a sense of which dogs folks are talking about when they say Rebel bred or Evolution bred, etc. A historical perspective on field trial performance dogs, if you will.
Then I would CAREFULLY read Stephen Bell's treatise on pointer lines, both sire lines and dam lines. It is available on one of the other forums. If you don't have some familiarity with pointer lines, there is no way you will follow steeple's information, but if you do, it is a treasure of field trial pointer breeding history. I have read it twice.. so far... and refer to it frequently.
Another interesting pedigree piece is contained in the book "Snakefoot". Mr. Whele traces the breeding of his champion, Snakefoot, all the way back to when he started breeding pointers. Although I understand the pedigree presented in the book may not be 100% correct, it is, nevertheless a valuable history lesson in pointer breeding.
Have fun.
RayG
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Thanks for all the info!
In terms of getting more up to speed, yes, up to speed on both some of the characteristics and lineages of different lines, and how combinations of different lines are known to work out. I am a foot hunter, mainly chukar and Gambel's quail at least this year, and am sort of sorting through what my second pointing breed dog may be. Currently I have a somewhat oversized pointer out of Guard Rail lines who I've been very happy with. The biggest worry I have is how he'll hold up over the years with some of the rocky ground here, though so far at 3 he hasn't had any issues.
I'll go through http://www.fieldtrialpointers.net/PBA.HTML as suggested and then go back through Steeple's treatise.
Thanks again!
In terms of getting more up to speed, yes, up to speed on both some of the characteristics and lineages of different lines, and how combinations of different lines are known to work out. I am a foot hunter, mainly chukar and Gambel's quail at least this year, and am sort of sorting through what my second pointing breed dog may be. Currently I have a somewhat oversized pointer out of Guard Rail lines who I've been very happy with. The biggest worry I have is how he'll hold up over the years with some of the rocky ground here, though so far at 3 he hasn't had any issues.
I'll go through http://www.fieldtrialpointers.net/PBA.HTML as suggested and then go back through Steeple's treatise.
Thanks again!
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I also got pointed to this summary, http://utahbirddogs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=8245 .
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Thanks! Just to collect the additional link in the same spot, here's an old thread from here focused on Honky Tonk Attitude, viewtopic.php?f=69&t=30809&hilit=maple+mountaindisplaced_texan wrote:Here are two I have saved.
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http://www.thefieldtrialer.com/forum/vi ... =12&t=5463 this was interesting re cancer in some lines as well.
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Re: Best sources for learning EP bloodlines?
I owned a bitch with Fiddler but I sold her as a started dog. BIG mistake. She qualified for the 2015 OSD Nationals.
Wish I still had her because she was not just a bird dog - she was special. Had to let her go at the time. Still regret it.
Wish I still had her because she was not just a bird dog - she was special. Had to let her go at the time. Still regret it.