Is the AKC the only registry used by Golden Retriever and Labrador Retriever breeders in America?
Are there others?
Some hound breeders will not use AKC for serious hunting dogs.
Do "grade" dogs exist in the bird dog world as they do in the hound world?
Breeders sometimes do this "grading up" practice to "try" to make a "stronger or improved strain" but these animals can't be registered as purebreds.
Grading up is crossing an exclusive or hallmark specimen of a breed with a "run-of-the-mill" dog. It can sometimes result in genetic troubles.
The reputable registries for bird dogs.
Re: The reputable registries for bird dogs.
I think most hounds are UKC registered. Also the show lines are AKC, that may be why hound breeders who hunt avoid AKC hounds.
Grade dogs exist in all dogs breeds they are dogs of unknown ancestry. Some hound breeders have kept track of their own dogs and breedings and have created their own bloodlines for so long that they basically are breeds. That is how the Plott Hound was developed and maybe Redbones ,not sure about them. There are some very good hounds bloodlines, that are well known in their local areas, but not all over the country. This is especially true where dogs are bred for hunting one species such as bear or similar species.
Hounds are the ultimate dog.
Of course dogs from grading up breedings if one is an unregistered dog, can't be registered as purebreds. Very few breeds are Pure.
All dog breeding can and does result in genetic issues......Cj
Grade dogs exist in all dogs breeds they are dogs of unknown ancestry. Some hound breeders have kept track of their own dogs and breedings and have created their own bloodlines for so long that they basically are breeds. That is how the Plott Hound was developed and maybe Redbones ,not sure about them. There are some very good hounds bloodlines, that are well known in their local areas, but not all over the country. This is especially true where dogs are bred for hunting one species such as bear or similar species.
Hounds are the ultimate dog.
Of course dogs from grading up breedings if one is an unregistered dog, can't be registered as purebreds. Very few breeds are Pure.
All dog breeding can and does result in genetic issues......Cj
Re: The reputable registries for bird dogs.
AKC, UKC are mostly what I've seen for retrievers.
FDSB, NAVHDA, FCI, and Canadian Kennel Club are also reputable registries, though I don't know how much you see retrievers on them. FDSB is predominately used by Pointer/Setter crowd, though my German Drahthaar came with FDSB papers, and AKC and NAVHDA both registered him with no fuss, no muss.
FDSB, NAVHDA, FCI, and Canadian Kennel Club are also reputable registries, though I don't know how much you see retrievers on them. FDSB is predominately used by Pointer/Setter crowd, though my German Drahthaar came with FDSB papers, and AKC and NAVHDA both registered him with no fuss, no muss.
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Re: The reputable registries for bird dogs.
Not to be pedantic...BUT...
Golden retrievers and Labradors are not considered to be "bird dogs", in the traditional sense. They are retrievers. While they unquestionably, are very often used to hunt upland game, especially pheasant, they are...principally...retrievers and not commonly referred to as "bird dogs" .
In the past, especially in the South, the common usage of the term "bird dog" meant that the user of the term was referring specifically to pointers or setters and the "bird" in the equation was almost always the bobwhite quail.
That usage has, in more recent times, expanded to the other, continental varieties of pointing dogs, and has in recent times occasionally included flushing spaniels.
However, the common usage of the term "bird dog" refers to a breed of dog which points upland birds.
RayG
Golden retrievers and Labradors are not considered to be "bird dogs", in the traditional sense. They are retrievers. While they unquestionably, are very often used to hunt upland game, especially pheasant, they are...principally...retrievers and not commonly referred to as "bird dogs" .
In the past, especially in the South, the common usage of the term "bird dog" meant that the user of the term was referring specifically to pointers or setters and the "bird" in the equation was almost always the bobwhite quail.
That usage has, in more recent times, expanded to the other, continental varieties of pointing dogs, and has in recent times occasionally included flushing spaniels.
However, the common usage of the term "bird dog" refers to a breed of dog which points upland birds.
RayG