Looking to Breed My Male GSP for One Litter
Looking to Breed My Male GSP for One Litter
I have an excellent AKC German Shorthair Pointer male that I would very much like to breed for one litter of pups to keep his line alive. Everyone brags about their dogs, but my guy has proven to be an excellent hunter, home companion to my aging Mother and an acknowledged strikingly handsome dog. I understand that commercial breeders need to make a living like everyone else, but I have found virtually no leads to locate a female dam for breeding (not purchase). I am not looking to get into the puppy business nor putting my dog to commercial stud. I simply want to arrange for him to sire one litter of healthy GSP pups from which I would keep one dog. My dog is well respected amongst my hunting companions and in general. The other puppies would find good homes (very likely among my friends or relatives). Am open to all suggestions.
Best Regards to My Friends in the Gundog Community,
Signed,
Dam-less in Seattle (literally)
Kbeaus
Best Regards to My Friends in the Gundog Community,
Signed,
Dam-less in Seattle (literally)
Kbeaus
kbeaus,
don't take this the wrong way, but you may have a hard time on here. see, pro breeders and trainers on here spend a lot of time, energy, and money proving their dogs to breed. while you may have a great quality dog to you and your companions, why should someone risk their blood, reputation, and business on an otherwise unproven dog. if your dog was proven to unbiased eyes through some association such as akc hunt test, field trialing, navhda, or nstra. if your dog was titled to some sort of fashion you probably have more replies and takers on your offer. i would find someone respected on here that may have a preserve so that you could prove your dog in person. one more peice of advice would be to post his pedigree on here for everyone to see. a lot of people on here are familiar with the different lines and pedigrees available. also, if he has good blood, don't just take any dam. u should be looking for a quality bitch which too may have to be proven.
don't take this the wrong way, but you may have a hard time on here. see, pro breeders and trainers on here spend a lot of time, energy, and money proving their dogs to breed. while you may have a great quality dog to you and your companions, why should someone risk their blood, reputation, and business on an otherwise unproven dog. if your dog was proven to unbiased eyes through some association such as akc hunt test, field trialing, navhda, or nstra. if your dog was titled to some sort of fashion you probably have more replies and takers on your offer. i would find someone respected on here that may have a preserve so that you could prove your dog in person. one more peice of advice would be to post his pedigree on here for everyone to see. a lot of people on here are familiar with the different lines and pedigrees available. also, if he has good blood, don't just take any dam. u should be looking for a quality bitch which too may have to be proven.
Looking to Breed Male AKC GSp
Dear hubweims,
Thank you very much for your input. I fully appreciate all of the time, effort and money commercial breeders put into their dogs. I live in an area that due to increased urbanization and general anti-hunting sentiment has seen a severe decrease in local breeders since my family started purchasing GSP over the last 47 years. In my current GSP I have found a very good, fully papered animal through private channels. World renowned trainer George Hickox has spoken highly of my particular dog. I am a working person who toils to have time to train my dog and hunt (hunting being the focus). I'm simply trying to continue with a good thing if at all possible.
Best Regards,
Kbeaus
Thank you very much for your input. I fully appreciate all of the time, effort and money commercial breeders put into their dogs. I live in an area that due to increased urbanization and general anti-hunting sentiment has seen a severe decrease in local breeders since my family started purchasing GSP over the last 47 years. In my current GSP I have found a very good, fully papered animal through private channels. World renowned trainer George Hickox has spoken highly of my particular dog. I am a working person who toils to have time to train my dog and hunt (hunting being the focus). I'm simply trying to continue with a good thing if at all possible.
Best Regards,
Kbeaus
Kbeaus,
I cancelled your other two posts as there is no reason to have the same post on the board three times. Anyone interested in answering will do it on the one and you won't have to check three of them .
Welcome to the board and hope you enjoy.
Ezzy
I cancelled your other two posts as there is no reason to have the same post on the board three times. Anyone interested in answering will do it on the one and you won't have to check three of them .
Welcome to the board and hope you enjoy.
Ezzy
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It's not how many breaths you have taken but how many times it has been taken away!
Has anyone noticed common sense isn't very common anymore.
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Re: Looking to Breed My Male GSP for One Litter
Hi there!
I, for one, certainly understand your desire to breed your dog, he sounds like a wondeful hunting companion as well as a great family companion. And especially since you say that he is also very handsome, as an owner, you are having a hard time understanding why you can't find someone that is willing to breed their bitch to your dog.
I used to feel very much the same way you do until I began a foray into breeding some years back. I grew up with a Grandfather that hunted and bred his GSP's and Brittanys. You see, back then, many folks that had great hunting dogs used to, as a matter of course, breed their dogs to someone's bitch that was also a great hunter. However, as the years passed and we've learned things like making certain that a dog is free from genetic issues before breeding and then in addition to that, we now want to make sure that our stud dogs and our bitches have proven themselves in the field or show ring or both. Because of this, you won't find many people that are looking for a stud dog that is "just" a hunting companion. Now, in my humble opinion, I do believe that a dog that has proven to be a fast learner, a great bird dog and a good family dog is worth something but in reality, that's not how it happens today. On the other hand, in breeding match-ups, if you are going to see the unproven dog in a breeding, it is usually the female and the male is the titled one.
As for us, the GSP's we breed, both sexes have titled in the field and in some cases the show ring too and all of our Studs and Bitches are genetic tested and there are no exceptions to this. Also, we are great believers in NAVHDA testing because it is the only performnace marker that proves a dog's true versatility in the field as does the AKC Hunt Test to a lessor degree. And to make things a little more interesting, if someone approached us for a breeding to one of our stud dogs, we wouldn't even consider it unless the bitch has been OFA'd or Penn Hipp'd, Eye Cerf'd and Cardiac Tested. We are adamant about all of this because it's the only responsible way to have a higher percentage of pups that will do well in the field and have a greater chance of being healthy for a lifetime.
Then there is the issue of rescue, when I was a Brittany Rescue Coordinator, we had years when statistics showed 1000+ purebred Britts being rescued, surrendered and then adopted to new homes and that is a very, very high figure especially since a vast majoirty of these dogs were either "backyard bred" from Sires and Dams that were never titled or never genetic tested thus leaving many unwanted pups, dysplastic pups and pups that went to the wrong homes because the breeders were not selective about matching pups to their new owners. These same dogs were usually surrendered to rescue because of a myriad of reasons, the number one reason being that the person who bought the pointing breed pup had no idea that a breed like ours requires heavy-duty-exercise-and-maintenance so that they don't become destructive and....all because the breeder didn't educate the new owner and/or the breeder just didn't care!
So, as you can see, it's not that people don't think your dog is a worthwhile potential stud, it's the only way a breeder today can insure that each litter will add to the betterment of the breed in ways like health, ability, etc. and well, the list goes on........
Again, please know I understand you and like I said, agree with you in many ways but cannot endorse breeding a dog in today's day and age that has not been proven and genetic tested. You might want to look into AKC Hunt Tetsing or your local NAVHDA chapter and begin working on a performance title and then when your dog is two years old, you can begin genetic testing and I guarantee you that if your dog does well in both areas, you will have luck in finding someone that will be intersted in breeding to your dog!
The Lady Upland Hunter, her trusty shotgun and her bird dogs!
I, for one, certainly understand your desire to breed your dog, he sounds like a wondeful hunting companion as well as a great family companion. And especially since you say that he is also very handsome, as an owner, you are having a hard time understanding why you can't find someone that is willing to breed their bitch to your dog.
I used to feel very much the same way you do until I began a foray into breeding some years back. I grew up with a Grandfather that hunted and bred his GSP's and Brittanys. You see, back then, many folks that had great hunting dogs used to, as a matter of course, breed their dogs to someone's bitch that was also a great hunter. However, as the years passed and we've learned things like making certain that a dog is free from genetic issues before breeding and then in addition to that, we now want to make sure that our stud dogs and our bitches have proven themselves in the field or show ring or both. Because of this, you won't find many people that are looking for a stud dog that is "just" a hunting companion. Now, in my humble opinion, I do believe that a dog that has proven to be a fast learner, a great bird dog and a good family dog is worth something but in reality, that's not how it happens today. On the other hand, in breeding match-ups, if you are going to see the unproven dog in a breeding, it is usually the female and the male is the titled one.
As for us, the GSP's we breed, both sexes have titled in the field and in some cases the show ring too and all of our Studs and Bitches are genetic tested and there are no exceptions to this. Also, we are great believers in NAVHDA testing because it is the only performnace marker that proves a dog's true versatility in the field as does the AKC Hunt Test to a lessor degree. And to make things a little more interesting, if someone approached us for a breeding to one of our stud dogs, we wouldn't even consider it unless the bitch has been OFA'd or Penn Hipp'd, Eye Cerf'd and Cardiac Tested. We are adamant about all of this because it's the only responsible way to have a higher percentage of pups that will do well in the field and have a greater chance of being healthy for a lifetime.
Then there is the issue of rescue, when I was a Brittany Rescue Coordinator, we had years when statistics showed 1000+ purebred Britts being rescued, surrendered and then adopted to new homes and that is a very, very high figure especially since a vast majoirty of these dogs were either "backyard bred" from Sires and Dams that were never titled or never genetic tested thus leaving many unwanted pups, dysplastic pups and pups that went to the wrong homes because the breeders were not selective about matching pups to their new owners. These same dogs were usually surrendered to rescue because of a myriad of reasons, the number one reason being that the person who bought the pointing breed pup had no idea that a breed like ours requires heavy-duty-exercise-and-maintenance so that they don't become destructive and....all because the breeder didn't educate the new owner and/or the breeder just didn't care!
So, as you can see, it's not that people don't think your dog is a worthwhile potential stud, it's the only way a breeder today can insure that each litter will add to the betterment of the breed in ways like health, ability, etc. and well, the list goes on........
Again, please know I understand you and like I said, agree with you in many ways but cannot endorse breeding a dog in today's day and age that has not been proven and genetic tested. You might want to look into AKC Hunt Tetsing or your local NAVHDA chapter and begin working on a performance title and then when your dog is two years old, you can begin genetic testing and I guarantee you that if your dog does well in both areas, you will have luck in finding someone that will be intersted in breeding to your dog!
The Lady Upland Hunter, her trusty shotgun and her bird dogs!
Good luck, you are going to have a hard time I believe. It would be different if you had the female cause the person with the female is the one breeding the dogs and doing all the work. When you have a female you can breed to any dog in the country and proven dogs are going to make you litter worth more. If you had 7 puppies sold for $500 each and you know that is the dam owners money than it might be different. Try to presell 7 pups and your problem will go away.
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Kbeaus,
Your best bet is to find someone locally that has a good hunting dog that is interested in raising a littler of puppies. I think it is necessary on your part if you want to do this responsibly to have your dog OFA'd and also the dam. As has been stated in many of the post it is your responsibility to insure your pups are as healthy as possible.
You already have the greatest title a dog can have when you said your dog was an outstanding hunting dog. Just make sure that is true and not just that you think so because you haven't hunted with any other dogs. If it is true and you can find someone with as good a female then you should be able to taise a nice litter that hunters in your area would like to own. However if that is not the case then there will be problems such as finding good homes for the pups and possible health problems to deal with.
I wish you luck if you decide to go through with this but do give it a lot of careful thought. Most of us think way too much of our own dogs and think they are the best in the world when in fact they are just one of many real nice dogs.
Ezzy
Your best bet is to find someone locally that has a good hunting dog that is interested in raising a littler of puppies. I think it is necessary on your part if you want to do this responsibly to have your dog OFA'd and also the dam. As has been stated in many of the post it is your responsibility to insure your pups are as healthy as possible.
You already have the greatest title a dog can have when you said your dog was an outstanding hunting dog. Just make sure that is true and not just that you think so because you haven't hunted with any other dogs. If it is true and you can find someone with as good a female then you should be able to taise a nice litter that hunters in your area would like to own. However if that is not the case then there will be problems such as finding good homes for the pups and possible health problems to deal with.
I wish you luck if you decide to go through with this but do give it a lot of careful thought. Most of us think way too much of our own dogs and think they are the best in the world when in fact they are just one of many real nice dogs.
Ezzy
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It's not how many breaths you have taken but how many times it has been taken away!
Has anyone noticed common sense isn't very common anymore.
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It's not how many breaths you have taken but how many times it has been taken away!
Has anyone noticed common sense isn't very common anymore.
Very well said.ezzy333 wrote:Kbeaus,
Your best bet is to find someone locally that has a good hunting dog that is interested in raising a littler of puppies. I think it is necessary on your part if you want to do this responsibly to have your dog OFA'd and also the dam. As has been stated in many of the post it is your responsibility to insure your pups are as healthy as possible.
You already have the greatest title a dog can have when you said your dog was an outstanding hunting dog. Just make sure that is true and not just that you think so because you haven't hunted with any other dogs. If it is true and you can find someone with as good a female then you should be able to taise a nice litter that hunters in your area would like to own. However if that is not the case then there will be problems such as finding good homes for the pups and possible health problems to deal with.
I wish you luck if you decide to go through with this but do give it a lot of careful thought. Most of us think way too much of our own dogs and think they are the best in the world when in fact they are just one of many real nice dogs.
Ezzy
Only two seasons, bird season and getting ready for bird season
Looking for AKC Female GSP to Breed with AKC GSP Male
Thanks to all for your thoughtful input.
As I wrote earlier my family and I are no strangers to purebred, professionally trained and religiously hunted gundogs. My current GSP is the seventh AKC hunting dog in my experience. Of those seven, two were too high strung, maladjusted and heartbreakinly inept when hunted or field trialed. The current GSP is the first dog I have even seriously considered having bred. My high opinion of the animal is not solely an owner's attachment to his dog: total stangers have watched the dog hunt, respond to commands and interact in varied conditions...I have never had a dog receive so many unsolicited favorable comments. I also factor in Trainer George Hickox's favorable review of this particular GSP: Mr. Hickox does not suffer fools or inept gundogs lightly.
I appreciate your comments and understand the challenges I face.
Sincerely yours in our mutual dedication to canine hunting athletes,
kbeaus.
As I wrote earlier my family and I are no strangers to purebred, professionally trained and religiously hunted gundogs. My current GSP is the seventh AKC hunting dog in my experience. Of those seven, two were too high strung, maladjusted and heartbreakinly inept when hunted or field trialed. The current GSP is the first dog I have even seriously considered having bred. My high opinion of the animal is not solely an owner's attachment to his dog: total stangers have watched the dog hunt, respond to commands and interact in varied conditions...I have never had a dog receive so many unsolicited favorable comments. I also factor in Trainer George Hickox's favorable review of this particular GSP: Mr. Hickox does not suffer fools or inept gundogs lightly.
I appreciate your comments and understand the challenges I face.
Sincerely yours in our mutual dedication to canine hunting athletes,
kbeaus.
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I think that Lady Upland Hunter had a very good point that should be reiterated. If you think that your dog is so talented, why not campaign it in some hunting tests or competitions? If you run your dog through a few AKC Master Hunt tests or a NAVHDA Utility test and it does well, you will probably have a few GSP owners approach you and ask to breed to your male. Why not turn the tables and give everyone a reason to ask to breed to your dog?
With my breed, we are not even allowed to ever use a dog that has not been tested. It is great that you find your dog to be such a great hunting companion, but putting some test scores or titles on your dog will help support your opinion and give others an idea of what your definition of a good hunting dog is.
I also second everyone's comments about health clearances. Has your dog had his hips x-rayed yet? I would not recommend any sporting breed owner to breed to a dog who hasn't been x-rayed.
With my breed, we are not even allowed to ever use a dog that has not been tested. It is great that you find your dog to be such a great hunting companion, but putting some test scores or titles on your dog will help support your opinion and give others an idea of what your definition of a good hunting dog is.
I also second everyone's comments about health clearances. Has your dog had his hips x-rayed yet? I would not recommend any sporting breed owner to breed to a dog who hasn't been x-rayed.
You could approach the breeder of your dog. If they do not want to use your dog at stud at this time, they may well be able to give you contacts to folk who may be interested or who may be agreeable to a lease of bitch arrangement where you breed, register and care for the litter yourself sending her back home when her maternal duties are over.
Cora's Shadow.I think that Lady Upland Hunter had a very good point that should be reiterated. If you think that your dog is so talented, why not campaign it in some hunting tests or competitions? If you run your dog through a few AKC Master Hunt tests or a NAVHDA Utility test and it does well, you will probably have a few GSP owners approach you and ask to breed to your male.
I think I can answer this for you.Most people with hunting dogs have never heard of a hunt test and probably a field trial to boot. They also are not interested in them and would not even consider spending hundreds of dollars to put a title on their dogs that mean nothing to them. Also without many hours of training spread over several months the good hunting dog isn't going to get one of those titles anyway.
Those titles are important to those of us to like to compete in our little games. I like them for dogs I haven't personally seen because it gives me an idea what the dog can do. But I wouldn't care in the least what titles my neighbors dogs that I hunt with every week have. I know what those dogs are without looking for a title. And if they can hunt everyday, find birds, and retrieve them when and if we knock them down there just isn't many dogs better than that.
SO my thoughts come down to this, if the dog is papered so I know it will genetically throw pups that resemble itselves, and if the dog is basically sound in structure and true to type and is that great hunting dog it just doesn't get much better than that. So if this is the situation then there is no need to spend money on a title that won't improve the dog one iota. I do admit it would help sell some pups to people who do not know the parents but that is about all it would do. In this case I don't think it would be cost effective.
Ezzy
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It's not how many breaths you have taken but how many times it has been taken away!
Has anyone noticed common sense isn't very common anymore.
http://www.perfectpedigrees.com/4genview.php?id=207
It's not how many breaths you have taken but how many times it has been taken away!
Has anyone noticed common sense isn't very common anymore.
I will be the one to really be straight,
Everbody thinks the world of their dog, the reality is there a lots of dogs just as good or better, find a dog of the same bloodline if thats what you heart is set on.
Backyard breedings like this are always a bad idea.
Thats what everyone really wants to say without hurting your feelings.
Go to a few GSP rescue sites and look at what they produce.
No one should ever breed dogs unless they have a plan to improve the breed, thats the bottom line. Improving the breed takes a lot of genetic study and know how, neither you or I have that.
Everbody thinks the world of their dog, the reality is there a lots of dogs just as good or better, find a dog of the same bloodline if thats what you heart is set on.
Backyard breedings like this are always a bad idea.
Thats what everyone really wants to say without hurting your feelings.
Go to a few GSP rescue sites and look at what they produce.
No one should ever breed dogs unless they have a plan to improve the breed, thats the bottom line. Improving the breed takes a lot of genetic study and know how, neither you or I have that.
currently two shorthairs, four english pointers, one Brittany, one SPRINGER a chihuahua and a min pin lol
One comment I would like to add is what defines a "back yard breeder"?
Is this the person who wants to just get this one litter or is it because there are no titles on the dog?
I too would recomend health testing so you know that there isn't going to be anything bad health wise passed on.
I also know why many people don't do hunt testing. It just plain isn't showing that the dog can do this stuff in the real world. I know many a hunter who has taken there rock solid, wild bird hunting dog out to a trial and not passed. One reason that I remember being told is because his dog only will retrieve a fresh killed bird and the trial kept using the same dead bird over and over again so she wouldn't even pick it up. Too many other dogs had handled it and it wasn't a fresh kill.
I personally probably won't worry about hunt testing too much either as I know my dogs are great on the wild birds and do what they are suppose to. I am going to try a UKC test this year that will be run on wild woodcock and grouse though in April.
I wish you luck. If I had a female old enough I may consider it but my dogs are all on the young side.
Is this the person who wants to just get this one litter or is it because there are no titles on the dog?
I too would recomend health testing so you know that there isn't going to be anything bad health wise passed on.
I also know why many people don't do hunt testing. It just plain isn't showing that the dog can do this stuff in the real world. I know many a hunter who has taken there rock solid, wild bird hunting dog out to a trial and not passed. One reason that I remember being told is because his dog only will retrieve a fresh killed bird and the trial kept using the same dead bird over and over again so she wouldn't even pick it up. Too many other dogs had handled it and it wasn't a fresh kill.
I personally probably won't worry about hunt testing too much either as I know my dogs are great on the wild birds and do what they are suppose to. I am going to try a UKC test this year that will be run on wild woodcock and grouse though in April.
I wish you luck. If I had a female old enough I may consider it but my dogs are all on the young side.
Beth
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Bobman,
As for the Rescues I think you will be hard pressed to say the dogs there are the result of backyard breeders. More likely they are an extremely small percentage of the dogs that are in homes through out the country that for some reason have been lost, discarded, or the owners have had to give themup for some reason and rescues or sheltors are the orrect place to take them. It's too bad that any would end up there but we have advertised that is the humane thing to do with them. No matter who breeds the dogs as long as we sell to the public there will always be dogs sent to shelters.
YOur point about no one breeding except tp better the breed is a good one except every one thinks they know how to better the breed by their personal standards without a lot of concern about confirmation, color,or performance according to the breed standards.
I do agree in priciple with the fact that quality and health need to be understood and not just let poor Fido sire a litter.
Ezzy
Maybe that is what I should be saying but I have problems with it. I boughtmy dogs from backyard breeders and why I picked them is because they were the best I could find. Both are excellent hunters from excellent hunters and have great pedigrees. Both could compete in trials or hunt tests and do well.Backyard breedings like this are always a bad idea.
Thats what everyone really wants to say without hurting your feelings.
Go to a few GSP rescue sites and look at what they produce.
As for the Rescues I think you will be hard pressed to say the dogs there are the result of backyard breeders. More likely they are an extremely small percentage of the dogs that are in homes through out the country that for some reason have been lost, discarded, or the owners have had to give themup for some reason and rescues or sheltors are the orrect place to take them. It's too bad that any would end up there but we have advertised that is the humane thing to do with them. No matter who breeds the dogs as long as we sell to the public there will always be dogs sent to shelters.
YOur point about no one breeding except tp better the breed is a good one except every one thinks they know how to better the breed by their personal standards without a lot of concern about confirmation, color,or performance according to the breed standards.
I do agree in priciple with the fact that quality and health need to be understood and not just let poor Fido sire a litter.
Ezzy
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http://www.perfectpedigrees.com/4genview.php?id=207
It's not how many breaths you have taken but how many times it has been taken away!
Has anyone noticed common sense isn't very common anymore.
http://www.perfectpedigrees.com/4genview.php?id=207
It's not how many breaths you have taken but how many times it has been taken away!
Has anyone noticed common sense isn't very common anymore.
Thanks Again
Thanks Again to Everyone, particularly Beth.
I also do not wish to hurt anyone's feelings. That said: many of the sermons I have heard over the years about acting "purely for the betterment of the breed" have been thinly veiled attempts to protect what is purely commercial activity. I am not seeking to breed for profit. Those that choose to do so more power to them. We live in a capitalist society. My queries have been in good faith to seek advice from good folks who share the same interest in hunting dogs that I do.
May all your days & dogs in the field be happy ones
I also do not wish to hurt anyone's feelings. That said: many of the sermons I have heard over the years about acting "purely for the betterment of the breed" have been thinly veiled attempts to protect what is purely commercial activity. I am not seeking to breed for profit. Those that choose to do so more power to them. We live in a capitalist society. My queries have been in good faith to seek advice from good folks who share the same interest in hunting dogs that I do.
May all your days & dogs in the field be happy ones
Rescue's explanation of "backyard breeders" are people that say things like, "Oh I want my dog to have a litter of pups to show/teach the kids what it's like to see "nature in action, giving birth, etc." or "I have a great hunting dog, at least in my opinion, I have a great hunting dog so I think I will breed him to my friend's great hunting dog but hey, they both look healthy, they never took a lame step so why bother with genetic testing, etc." and this is what we see in rescue over and over again. Then, believe it or not, there are even puppy mills that breed sporting breed dogs. As a matter of fact, one of my own dogs was born in a puppy mill that had 92 breeding bitches on site (as it turned out, I rescued him!) and he actually turned out to be one of the best bird dogs I've ever known (but that was simply a fluke!).
Also, as I said in my earlier post, many Brittanys end up in rescue because the breeders never took the time to educate and screen potential puppy buyers and in my humble opinion, these people are "backyard breeders" because they are not taking responsibility for their litters if they don't take the time to be certain that their pups are going into the kind of home that understand the nature and the maintenance of pointing breed dogs. And again, these are the very same pups that end up in rescue as well. Yes, there are a vast number of other reasons why dogs end up in rescue; but, for the most part the problems result from breeders that will sell their pups to anyone with cash in their hands!
The Lady Upland Hunter, her trusty shotgun and her bird dogs!
Also, as I said in my earlier post, many Brittanys end up in rescue because the breeders never took the time to educate and screen potential puppy buyers and in my humble opinion, these people are "backyard breeders" because they are not taking responsibility for their litters if they don't take the time to be certain that their pups are going into the kind of home that understand the nature and the maintenance of pointing breed dogs. And again, these are the very same pups that end up in rescue as well. Yes, there are a vast number of other reasons why dogs end up in rescue; but, for the most part the problems result from breeders that will sell their pups to anyone with cash in their hands!
The Lady Upland Hunter, her trusty shotgun and her bird dogs!
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????? AKC hunt tests and field trials use freshly killed birds for EVERY dog. The bird is shot for that dog, in front of that dog, and in the case of MH and call backs for FT's the dog watches and stands steady when the bird is shot for it and then it is sent out for the retrieve. If this person was telling you this and it pertained to an AKC hunt test or AKC FT they were telling you a bunch of crock!One reason that I remember being told is because his dog only will retrieve a fresh killed bird and the trial kept using the same dead bird over and over again so she wouldn't even pick it up. Too many other dogs had handled it and it wasn't a fresh kill.
Pam
Cherrystone Weimaraners
Breeding for Conformation and Performance
NFC/FC Cherrystone La Reine De Pearl
CH Cherystone Perl of Sagenhaft MH,SDX,NRD,VX,BROM
CH Cherrystone Gone With the Wind JH
Cherrystone Weimaraners
Breeding for Conformation and Performance
NFC/FC Cherrystone La Reine De Pearl
CH Cherystone Perl of Sagenhaft MH,SDX,NRD,VX,BROM
CH Cherrystone Gone With the Wind JH
Re: Thanks Again
I think they are really just people that know what they are talking about.kbeaus wrote:Thanks Again to Everyone, particularly Beth.
I also do not wish to hurt anyone's feelings. That said: many of the sermons I have heard over the years about acting "purely for the betterment of the breed" have been thinly veiled attempts to protect what is purely commercial activity. I am not seeking to breed for profit. Those that choose to do so more power to them. We live in a capitalist society. My queries have been in good faith to seek advice from good folks who share the same interest in hunting dogs that I do.
May all your days & dogs in the field be happy ones
I bred the best bitch I ever owned to Rawhide Clown and got 6 great pups but I knew ahead of time none of them were going to be sold. Thats the only time I ever bred a dog, in the last roughly 40 years of pointer ownership. I always knew just as good a dog could be bought with this one exception.
Still have 5 of the 6 lost one last year, sadly he died.
Everyone on this board is a ethical dog lover thats seen the bad side of backyard breeding.
Your going to do it, so do you homework thoroughly, make sure the bitch has the characteristics especially range that you want, have your dogs hips and eyes checked, and line up at least 8-9 people that will take pups and then you've done it responsibly.
I have three pointers that are dogs none else wanted for various reasons, discarded by their previous owners, all of them are good dogs. I know I come off as a grumpy old codger about this topic but my heart is in the right place.
Just seen too much bad things happen to dogs in my life I guess.
currently two shorthairs, four english pointers, one Brittany, one SPRINGER a chihuahua and a min pin lol