Looking at a new puppy...

Brushbustin Sporting Dogs · Post by **Brushbustin Sporting Dogs** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 4:21 pm

I'm always looking for my next superstar I'm very picky with my dogs. I sometimes think paper means too much to me. I looked at these pups on line from Godfathers Gundogs Denver CO. He has a guy back out so he has a spot for me. I'm wanting a field trial dog probably gundog stakes more so than AA. Here is the breeding what do you ya'll think should be a stellar dog or atleast have the potential.http://www.perfectpedigrees.com/4genview.php?id=970 I've fell in love with anything Beans Blaze breed. I see that Noble Rocket would be a littermate to Blaze. And next generation back has a ton more Beans Blaze which all comes from the Bandee line. Worth $600??

Post by **Kiki's Mom** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 4:44 pm

Yes...worth the price. I'm sending you a PM ...I have 2 males you may want to take a look at pedigree wise too...

AZ Brittany Guy · Post by **AZ Brittany Guy** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 5:02 pm

http://www.fieldtrialnews.com/cgi-bin/c ... =retrieval

This guy has an AI Breeding out of Beans Blaze but he is pricy with good reason. If you are a Field Trialer this is what you call "good prospects"

Post by **Kiki's Mom** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 5:05 pm

I know David. Sold him one of my horses in 2006. This was a nice l breeding to Bean's Blaze.

Brushbustin Sporting Dogs · Post by **Brushbustin Sporting Dogs** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 5:07 pm

I actually called David on those puppies. I didn't look at your link yet but I'm sure I know who your talking about and ya WOW. Wouldn't that be something still trying to figure out how I could come up with $2000 for a puppy but WOW!!! I'd love one thats for sure.

AZ Brittany Guy · Post by **AZ Brittany Guy** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 5:08 pm

How did this guy get a straw on BB?

Brushbustin Sporting Dogs · Post by **Brushbustin Sporting Dogs** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 5:15 pm

From what he told me he had it for awhile just waiting for the right bitch. It came from whoever, bad with names, owned BB. I actually thought he said there was more of it. When I talked to him I was on the road so not do good with all the details. He of course didn't say what they had to pay for it but even at $2000 he can't really be making a whole lot of money after paying storage, AI, they had to c-section her, etc... But ya I'd love a male out of the litter he sent me pics they are beautiful little pups.

AZ Brittany Guy · Post by **AZ Brittany Guy** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 5:17 pm

Kiki's Mom wrote:I know David. Sold him one of my horses in 2006. This was a nice line breeding on Bean's Blaze.

Helen, Educate me on this (seriously). When I looked at the PED, I thought it was an out cross. To my knowledge, Rocky has no BB in him.

Post by **Kiki's Mom** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 5:36 pm

Ooops...I was typing and thinking too far ahead of myself.

This is Not a line breeding on the Bean's Blaze. ( I had just finished PMing Robbie on a line breeding of another line, sorry)

The bitch behind Bridgette , Bettin She'll Fly actually goes to HOF Jim De Bob's Sparks a Dan D and to HOF Ban Dee up top AND HOF Rimarda's Trademark on her bottom side.

The combination of Bean's Blaze with the Rimarda stuff that is behind both Rocky and Cheryl Orange's Bettin She'll fly is a an awesome and proven combination ( FC/AFC Mokan Powerglide, FC/AFC Ramblin Willie, FC/AFC Mokan Bimbo, FC/AFC Mokan Razzle Dazzle to name a few)

Karen · Post by **Karen** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 5:41 pm

If I was looking for my next superstar, I'd be buying a pup from Ralph and Judy Kiracofe. I can't decide which pedigree I like more:

http://www.hitbrits.com/Jackbella.htm

Or

http://www.hitbrits.com/PeteyHannah.htm

ahhhh...if I only had room for 1 or 2 more!

Brittguy · Post by **Brittguy** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 6:54 pm

I'm not sure how the bitch is bred that Helen is talking about out of
Chrome. Chrome has Beans Blaze twice in 4th gen and a DC full brother in 3rd.
Chas. McBride (Sherlock Brittanys) in Guysville uses a stud that is very well bred and directely out of Beans Blaze. He usually has puppies

Post by **Kiki's Mom** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:59 pm

Bill you missed it. I was referring to the bitch that was AI'd to Bean's Blaze. She is a daughter of Gambler's Ace in the Hole and Cheryl Orange's Bettin She'll Fly.

Didn't mention Chrome in this thread <gg>

The bitch I DID breed to your Chrome is NFC/AFC Lea's Running Jayhawk x FC Poki-Dot. This was an attempt to linebreed the Microdot/Scipio stuff ( with good results I might add. Have 4 of 6 in competition homes and looking for two more competition homes for the last two if I can find 'em)

gar-dog · Post by **gar-dog** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:30 pm

Karen wrote: http://www.hitbrits.com/PeteyHannah.htm

Yeah, this one is amazing. You get all of the Beans Blaze, Rimarda, Scipio, HOF way back, plus the recent national champions.

This will be interesting as I think Petey is Liver and Hannah is orange.

CherrystoneWeims · Post by **CherrystoneWeims** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:30 pm

gar-dog wrote:
Karen wrote: http://www.hitbrits.com/PeteyHannah.htm
Yeah, this one is amazing. You get all of the Beans Blaze, Rimarda, Scipio, HOF way back, plus the recent national champions.

This will be interesting as I think Petey is Liver and Hannah is orange.

OK I am NOT a Brittany breeder but I have some questions. I am not trying to stir anything up.

Why would this breeding be amazing? The bitch is OFA FAIR.

You also mention all of these dogs BUT if they are more than 4 generations back in the pedigree. In genetics anything previous to 4 generations in a pedigree is washed out.

Post by **ezzy333** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 11:56 pm

Look at the pedigrees of my two Brits. You may have trouble finding more Beans Blaze and they are both show quality with gundog range. Where I haven't seen all of the dogs in the other pedigrees, it bothers me there is little indication that they are in the standard and not just field bred.

Ezzy

Karen · Post by **Karen** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:46 am

CherrystoneWeims wrote:
gar-dog wrote:
Karen wrote: http://www.hitbrits.com/PeteyHannah.htm
Yeah, this one is amazing. You get all of the Beans Blaze, Rimarda, Scipio, HOF way back, plus the recent national champions.

This will be interesting as I think Petey is Liver and Hannah is orange.
OK I am NOT a Brittany breeder but I have some questions. I am not trying to stir anything up.

Why would this breeding be amazing? The bitch is OFA FAIR.

You also mention all of these dogs BUT if they are more than 4 generations back in the pedigree. In genetics anything previous to 4 generations in a pedigree is washed out.

OFA Fair is passing (and her sire is OFA Excellent AND the 2005 National Gun Dog Champion AND her dam is OFA Good) and the stud is OFA Excellent AND the 2007 National Gun Dog Champion at 3 yrs old. I see absolutely no problem breeding an OFA Excellent to an OFA Fair with generations of OFA behind it and Excellent/Good parents. This wouldn't worry me in the least.

You want to look at 4 generations:

4 NGDC
20 FC's
5 DC's
2 AFC's that are not FC's
2 Ch that are not DC's

But you'd have to see both Petey and Jack, and Jack's other offspring run/compete to truly appreciate what a nice breeding this is.

Post by **Kiki's Mom** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:06 am

I see absolutely no problem breeding an OFA Excellent to an OFA Fair with generations of OFA behind it and Excellent/Good parents. This wouldn't worry me in the least.

I agree with you on the level of breeding the Fair to Excellent. I'm curious because with all of the HD controversy, was the whole litter x-rayed or do you know? I know too that the Kiracof's are not in with those others who are blatantly breeding HD positive dogs so please don't misread my question here.

There are those that are saying these days that we cannot know the ramifications of the HD disease until we look at ALL of the hips in all of our litters. Do you happen to know if this OFA Fair bitch was the only FAIR rating in the litter with those generations of Excellent/Good behind them? It would be interesting to know. Unfortunately until a genetic marker can be identified for HD we will continue to have to be diligent in our battle with HD.

FAIR to Excellent is still breeding two dogs that DO NOT have HD. I'm too am ok with that.

Karen · Post by **Karen** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:33 am

I do know that 4 of Hannah's littermates made it into competition homes so I'm sure they will be OFA'd in the future, and certainly before breeding is considered, but I don't think they've been done yet.

Post by **kninebirddog** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:42 am

I ahve personally seen an OFA excellent bred to a OFA Good produce an EXTREMELY Dysplastic pup

I know of a OFA good dog being bred that is producing 1-2 HD pup per litter

I know of a Grand sire and grand mother breeding which grand progeny bred to different other crossing that are coming up HD

An OFA Mild may never show signs of HD depending on if it is sublaxation versus an arthritic change

My point HD is out there....and an OFA Fair Has a number and is breedable and I would breed an OFA Fair with a better looking back ground then an Excellent with little to no back ground information

I think OFA hurt the reading by call it a Fair it makes it sound much worse then it is

But an OFA fair can produce and excellennt and so can a mild for that fact

So OFA ...for true Face value is showing that the breeder is breeding an animal which has sound hips at the time of the xray.

So on one hand on the www.offa.org website you can veiw your dog and related breedings but ...your only goingto be able to veiw those dogs that are done and those dogs that an owner releases for public records

Post by **ezzy333** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:06 pm

OFA is an important step towards eliminating HD from our dogs. But lets take it for what it really is. It is strictly a subjective reading of an x-ray of the hips. You can do the same dog twice and get two different readings due as much as to the position and quality of the x-ray as any other quality. What does all of this mean? X-ray your dogs and do not breed any dog that has dysplasia. Beyond that you are just pretty much making a personal dicision of what you like.

Any dog can have it no matter what the background dogs check out and any dysplastic dog can produce pups with perfect hips. But we do know that like produces like in the general sceme of things so clear dogs are much more apt to produce pups with clear hips. Breed right, feed right, and grow them slow with controlled exercise for the first several months and we will continue to make progress in the fight to eliminate it from our dogs.

Ezzy