CONGRATULATIONS RICK & BRENDA

Post by **kninebirddog** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 11:03 am

Fritz did it he is a DC

Thank you for all the efforts you have put into fritz in letting him shine where ever he goes and does

THAT IS SO VERY AWESOME AND A BIG CONGRATULATIONS

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 11:32 am

Congratulations!

phermes1 · Post by **phermes1** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:01 pm

Great job! Congrats!

Sonny · Post by **Sonny** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:09 pm

Congratulations, Rick and Brenda. This is probably a first (not sure), but I know it is an elite club. There are not many dogs which hold the title or AKC F/C, NSTRA Champion and Dual Champion.

I enjoyed the night on the town (old town Chatanooga), just felt I was imposing on your other guests, they were on schedule and I was not.

Al

Post by **kninebirddog** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:50 pm

One britt had a NSTRA champ and an FC/AFC

but Fritz has out done that by a LONG shot

DualChampion, 3x NSTRA and an Master Hunter...

they keep this up Fritz will have more title then registered name

sweetsong · Post by **sweetsong** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 5:50 pm

Congrats Rick & Brenda. That is a great accomplishment.

Terry

Blue Dawn Kennel · Post by **Blue Dawn Kennel** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 6:19 pm

Way to go Rick, Brenda and definately Fritz. That's an awesome accomplishment!!!
Robbi

snips · Post by **snips** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 6:20 pm

Thanks guys. Rick has done a great job with Fritz, he has done something no one has done and we are REAL PROUD!!! A REAL BIG THANKS TO Lara Spears and Jimmy Spears for their huge contribution in making Fritz a show dog!!! I keep thinking about the first day she tried to lead him and 15 minutes later had him finally hitting a trot

A BIG THANKS to Ray Dohse put his 2nd major on him in the field to finish his FC. So, in a yr and 1/2 he has finished a FC (2 MONTHS) and his MH and Show Ch. Fritz is the one to commend now

Fieldmaster · Post by **Fieldmaster** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 6:28 pm

Congrats !!!!!! Rick and Brenda. Lots of hard work and dedication put into such a Great Accomplishment.

Robert

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:52 pm

OK. Now what??

Post by **ezzy333** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:04 pm

There is absolutely nothing more I can say but those are the titles our HOF dogs should all have. If HOF means the best of the breed then they should cover all of the bases and you have done just that.

Congrats to both of you for breeding, training, and then testing your dogs in all venues.

Ezzy

AHGSP · Post by **AHGSP** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:07 pm

Wagonmaster wrote:OK. Now what??

A shot or 2 or 3 ??

BIG CONGRATS to Brenda and Rick and a big knuckle bone and scratches for Fritz!

Ah he!!, that is too reserved......

WOOOOOOOOOHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOO, YEHAWWWWWWWW!

That's better!

mountaindogs · Post by **mountaindogs** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:53 pm

WAY TO GO!!!! THAT IS AWESOME

YEAH FRITZ!!!!

volraider · Post by **volraider** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:35 am

Brenda is VC in NAVHDA next? Great Job and great breeding!

Brian

Post by **pear** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:46 am

AWESOME AND A CONGRATULATIONS Great job keep up the good work !! ..."pear"

Post by **Greg Jennings** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 10:02 am

Awesome! Congrats!

GO FRITZ!!!

Fritz is an awesome dog. Of course, I'm biased.

Best regards, Greg J

Mary · Post by **Mary** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 10:08 am

Way to go Fritz

Wow what a great accomplishment for great people and a great dog
Mary

Dave Quindt · Post by **Dave Quindt** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:02 am

Brenda,

Congrats on the DC; it's quite an accomplishment.

PLEASE tell me that now that he's done with the fu-fu stuff, you're going to turn Fritz loose on the championship circuit? It's been years since we've had a dual that was a legimate hour dog; the breed could really use on and I'd love to see him run against the best field dogs in the nation.

Dave

snips · Post by **snips** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:43 am

Thanks again you all. Uhmmm Dave.

Rick does not want to part with him for "the curcuit". Just know that he IS a legit hour dog. He placed right behind Bitty in the Eastern Sectional Classic. He had one of the biggest running braces going in the GDC before he got busted by the bracemate. He placed at 2yrs old in the Nat/l DOY Trial out of 196 dogs and Runner Up in the Regional (I know, it's NSTRA), and had to run an hour + a couple of 1/2 hours the last day. He just turned 6 yrs old yesterday, now he will get to do what he LOVES for awhile, wild birds this fall.

lvrgsp · Post by **lvrgsp** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:49 am

Brenda, congratulations to Rick & Fritz, quite an accomplishment, and I could not agree more with Dave. The breed does need to see that caliber of dog competing on the hour circuit, no doubt he is capable of it.

Again big congrats.

Chip

nitrex · Post by **nitrex** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:54 pm

Congrats are definitely in order!!! I spoke with a GSP breeder here in Abilene, KS last week. He spoke very highly of your breeding program, and now we know why!!!!

Nitrex

rnbiii · Post by **rnbiii** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:35 am

HUGE Congrats!! What an accomplishment for all involved. Brenda, I've gotta find time to get my pup up that way... maybe some of that talent and hardwork is contagious.

SharpMtn · Post by **SharpMtn** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:30 am

WOW....did word get around fast or what??:) This is a huge accomplishment and CONGRATULATIONS to Rick & Brenda!!! The level of support and commitment goes beyond what most people can even imagine:) It is an AWESOME accomplishment!!!

It was really neat to walk around the show after Fritz finished....and have LOTS of people congratulate us on finishing the big DC:) Fritz has a pretty big fan club:)

Congratulations also goes to Chuck & Judy Parietti, owners & breeders of Fritzer's daddy...DC/AFC 'Odyssey's' Sam Saint Max MH. Fritz's 1/2 sister finished her Dual Championship on Friday! What a weekend for them! I believe this makes 4 Dual Champions for Sam:)

Fritz's VERY proud handler -
Lara

snips · Post by **snips** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:01 pm

Well, Lara, Fritzer could not have done it without your patience and expertise

With the list of Duals you have to your credit right now, you are one of the best handlers in the nation! We will see you guys later for some pre-celebration! , AND TREATS FOR FRITZ!!! Rick and I will join in on the Congratulations to Chuck & Judy, what an AWSOME yr for Odyssey!!!!!!! They have a breeding program to be proud of for sure. Her Crede and Fritz have pups right now, about 2 weeks old.

SharpMtn · Post by **SharpMtn** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:09 pm

and Crede is also a DC/AFC and MH:)!!! Quite a collection of titles in those kid's pedigree:)

...now what IS Fritz going to do being all dirty and stuff?;)) LOL!

Lara

Dave Quindt · Post by **Dave Quindt** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:08 pm

snips wrote:Thanks again you all. Uhmmm Dave. Rick does not want to part with him for "the curcuit". Just know that he IS a legit hour dog. He placed right behind Bitty in the Eastern Sectional Classic. He had one of the biggest running braces going in the GDC before he got busted by the bracemate. He placed at 2yrs old in the Nat/l DOY Trial out of 196 dogs and Runner Up in the Regional (I know, it's NSTRA), and had to run an hour + a couple of 1/2 hours the last day.

Brenda,

Don't get me wrong; the DC title is a great accomplishment. It's just that we see so many "mystery duals" in our breed (especially out of the east and southeast); duals that the majority of the field folks look at each other and say "WHO?", duals that never make it out to play with the big boys on the hour circuit and run on anything more than just wind-up birds and half-hour stakes.

There are a lot of us who are looking for a quality DC to breed to, but we want one who has proven himself against the best of the best. We thought we had our dog in Nat AA CH/ DC Cherry Creek Rocky, but he turned up sterile.

So many people look at the DC title with some degree of skepticism because these dogs are almost never put on the national stage. "Show dogs that luck into a FC title" is the claim I hear over and over. I hear Fritz is a exceptional dog; I've not had a chance to see him run and would like to, especially against the best dogs in the nation on championship-caliber grounds.

snips wrote:He just turned 6 yrs old yesterday, now he will get to do what he LOVES for awhile, wild birds this fall.

Great! He can run at the Sharptail, then at Region 17 and the Chicken Championship, which are all wild bird trials. Run him at Eureka at the National Championship and he's back home by November 1; long before your wild bird season starts

Congrats again on the title,
Dave

honeyrun · Post by **honeyrun** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:39 am

Dave,

I don't have a dog in this discussion, but am always looking for a class DC dog to maybe add to my breeding program.

Don't get me wrong; the DC title is a great accomplishment. It's just that we see so many "mystery duals" in our breed (especially out of the east and southeast); duals that the majority of the field folks look at each other and say "WHO?", duals that never make it out to play with the big boys on the hour circuit and run on anything more than just wind-up birds and half-hour stakes.

I find this statement rather humorous, as most of the midwest DC's would have a very hard time competing with "big boys" in the conformation ring in the East coast and the southeast. A true DC should be able to do both with ease no matter what part of the country they are in.

I would say that ANY DC would need to be looked at carefully before adding them to a breeding program, NO MATTER what part of the country they came from. Just because they have a DC in their name, doesn't always mean that they are. ($$ can buy a lot)

Just my opinion, but also the same as a lot of GSP owners.

snips · Post by **snips** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:22 am

Dave, I am SURE the field folks would say "WHO" to Ricks dog, as they do not keep up with the NSTRA stuff. But Fritz went from running and placing in the DOY Trial to a AKC trial the very next weekend and winning. He ended up #13 overall for the yr OGD from only 4 mo of running. He finished his FC in 2 months. He was passed to Ray because Rick was loosing too much time going to run a weekend trial, he then took his 2nd major 1ST first weekend out that finished the FC. HE IS A PRETTY REMARKABLE dog to have done this alone. It is hard to please everyone out there, but Ray liked him enough to breed his top Derby dog to him, and there are pups out now that have Puppy pts and Derby pts already from that cross. Becky Jacobs bred her FC to him because she had seen him run, and now has pups. Not to mention Pariettis breeding their DC to him because Chuck saw him run. You say WHO because the AKC field people are about as tight knit group as the NAVHDA folks, they have their bloodlines that are successful and if you win and DON't happen to have those lines everyone thinks its a "fluke"......Well, our dogs have proven themselves for yrs in other venues simply because we did not choose to run horseback. ....I do not want to get into "whos the best dog" discussion, as Fritz has already done something no other dog has done, and we are just leaving it at that........... Meet Rick in ND this fall and go hunting if you want to see him in action on Sharpies , he is an awsome sight to behold in the big country.

SharpMtn · Post by **SharpMtn** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:52 am

So many people look at the DC title with some degree of skepticism because these dogs are almost never put on the national stage. "Show dogs that luck into a FC title" is the claim I hear over and over. I hear Fritz is a exceptional dog; I've not had a chance to see him run and would like to, especially against the best dogs in the nation on championship-caliber grounds.

I have to respond to this...

I have handled and finished 5 Dual Champions in the show ring and put a major on a 6th one. Every one of them were field dogs first and the show was secondary. I often have to work around the field event schedule. The 2 gsps and 1 gordon were already Field Champions...and came by the FC title with ease.

So....in my first hand experience...."Show dogs that luck into a FC title" was not the case at all! I do not see that a FC title is an easy thing to obtain....and neither is a CH. So, when you earn a DC....that is a major accomplishment and certainly nothing to be cheapened by other's comments who have never attempted to make a Dual Champion and really have no idea what it takes.

Just my 2 cents....

Lara Spears

EWSIV · Post by **EWSIV** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:55 am

Congratulations to the Walnut Hill gang!

Post by **kninebirddog** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:42 am

There is NO DOUBT in my mind Fritz could run an hour brace and then some

For those that knock NSTRA our National trials the first 2 days of our National trial a dog has their first round of Eliminations and must make the top half of the field to continue to round 2 which is held on Firday..which on Friday they must make the top 8 of the field they are running to Make it to Sat Sat they have to be the top 2 of the field they run to make yet another elimination round...which then the top 2 dogs have to Run an hour brace to be title a champion...So it is a process of eliminations of running before getting the final spot...SO Sat you better have a dog that can be out there for 2 half hour braces and then a final hour brace..so wether a dog has to run a striaght course for an hour or at this point in the finals be handled through out 2 fields for an hour the dog has to do it
even the Local regional finals the dogs have to run elimination rounds and then run an hour brace to be declared a RegionalCH so there again that takes a dog to be able to handle running more then just one hour in a day

Fritz has Proven himself...and if I were to ever think of getting a GSP..Fritz would be the first dog I look to and also highly reccomend anything that Brenda and Rick put on the ground

So back to the Congratualting people and a great dog for Hard work and efforts which it took to get there

again

CONGRATULATIONS FRITZ and to ALL WHO PUT PUT THEIR TIME AND EFFORTS IN TO HIS BEING A SHINING STAR

DGFavor · Post by **DGFavor** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:12 am

Good job & huge congrats to Fritz and his gang!

For those that knock NSTRA our National trials the first 2 days of our National trial a dog has their first round of Eliminations and must make the top half of the field to continue to round 2 which is held on Firday..which on Friday they must make the top 8 of the field they are running to Make it to Sat Sat they have to be the top 2 of the field they run to make yet another elimination round...which then the top 2 dogs have to Run an hour brace to be title a champion...So it is a process of eliminations of running before getting the final spot...SO Sat you better have a dog that can be out there for 2 half hour braces and then a final hour brace..so wether a dog has to run a striaght course for an hour or at this point in the finals be handled through out 2 fields for an hour the dog has to do it
even the Local regional finals the dogs have to run elimination rounds and then run an hour brace to be declared a RegionalCH so there again that takes a dog to be able to handle running more then just one hour in a day

I've never done NSTRA so probably shouldn't even be commenting but it's the internet and real life experience and expertise not required!!

I gotta think there is a huge difference between running a contained race within a few acre boundary like they do in NSTRA (usually a flat open field from what I've seen) to running an hour across native bird habitat on a course that covers up to 5 or 6 miles and several hundred to thousands of feet of elevation changes (with horseback handling which shouldn't affect the pace but of course does!). I don't think it fair to say you can do something till ya' done it!!

I don't think any dog that brings it's owners joy and pride in any fashion has anything to prove but I'm certainly with the crowd that wants you to "get that dog out in some 1 hour AF stakes and whoop some buns!!".

Post by **kninebirddog** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:15 pm

Well I do go to both and I watch te HB trials every chance I get..I have some young dogs which are playing in those stakes...
I personally run NSTRA

I like what each venue has to offer AKC AF NSTRA even NAVDHA has alot to offer ..so none are to be scoffed at...they all bring a dog up to a level by which to be judged.

i see alot of people putting in time and effort in to what they love...and personally for what our dogs are supposed to be about and that is Bird dogs....every venue has something to offer to keep our dogs to do what they are bred for.

To scoff or think on is more "elite" over another is snobbish which is a large factor in why more people don't join in...or worse turn and walk away...
I have personally watched some IE professional handlers chase off more new people oone managed to chase off 3 new people in one weekend with their in the nose i am better then thou attitude...It is very unbecoming and doesn't do much to help what we love to do as the more peoplewe have on OUR side the batter chances we ahve at protecting the lands we trial on ...HB trials are loosing grounds If the trend continues the HB trials will go before the walking trials do....So reflect on the attitude and except ..all venues are there for us to have fun and help to keep breeding program more responsible and an AA dog isn't the only dog out there which is the best dog

I have tried to get many people to go check out what ever trials they can...More often then not those new people say the same thing what a bunch of snobs if that what trialing is about forget it...
one out of a bunch get lucky and meet up with someone that opens their arms and stretches out a hand and welcomes that new person.

arrowbanshee · Post by **arrowbanshee** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:21 pm

congratulations!!

snips · Post by **snips** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:21 pm

All I said was he has run in a couple of different trials that were hour Championships, they were AKC. We won't mention NSTRA again since it does not seem to register as anything fundamental. We did the horse back course and know the pace, we did not have elevation to deal with, but oh well. He held his own and placed, and after keeping him running for the GDC in Va got put out by a bracemate busting his covey and running over Fritz on back. Only to have the dogs handler say to someone, "well, at least he took out his bracemate too." Fritz was pulled off the curcuit a yr ago to get his Show Ch title and MH. Maybe we should move out west so we can prove everything the westerners want to see. Maybe you guys should pull your dogs off the curcuit and see if they can do what Fritz has done. We felt it more important to pursue a DC title than stay on the curcuit and spend his life on the rd to hope for "the right brace" and get a chance at a Nat'l placement. We do not have endless pockets and do not do horseback trialing for a living, so the dog would have to be with a handler for sometime. Anyone that ran a trial with him in the east can tell you what he's got, if no one chooses to believe it, you are all invited to come hunt with us .

AHGSP · Post by **AHGSP** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:27 pm

I don't require anything be proven to me, but I sure wouldn't mind chasing Sharpies with ya's if that invite is also open to the believers! If on the other hand, it is only open to the non-believers..... THEN I DON"T BELIEVE YA!

snips · Post by **snips** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:30 pm

Post by **ezzy333** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:49 pm

I don't think any dog that brings it's owners joy and pride in any fashion has anything to prove but I'm certainly with the crowd that wants you to "get that dog out in some 1 hour AF stakes and whoop some buns!!".

Sounds to me like Doug agrees with you Brenda, but he would just like to see him run against the dogs he is familiar with. Sounds like a reasonable thing to say as I and everyone of your supporters would love to see him run also. And like Doug, would like to see him kick some butt.

I have always hated to see a great dog retire since we don't get to see him anymore but also know they deserve the rest and I'm also with you in not fully understanding owning a dog so it can spend its life with a handler. Not my idea of having a birddog.

Ezzy

DGFavor · Post by **DGFavor** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:25 pm

Holy molies - last thing I was trying to portray was one activity being any more elite than the other. I was just trying to make the point that comparing them doesn't seem like apples to apples to me. The physical demands just don't seem the same but what do I know! Honestly no elitism intended.

It is customary on internet forums for congratulatory threads to degenerate into "what have ya' done for me lately" so we're right on course here!!

Sounds to me like Doug agrees with you Brenda

Always!!

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:01 pm

Geez, ya. You win a big victory like this and there are always arguments that it should have been some other big victory.

Congratulations again Brenda. I am not a believer in the theory that some FC's are different than other FC's. It is a ton of work to get one, and it takes a good dog.

Period.

Exclamation point.

I asked earlier what is next because those of us who have been on this board for awhile and have followed Fritz's exploits know that Rick just has fun doing stuff with that dog. So....., assuming Rick is not ready yet to hang it up and not have any more fun, I assume that after a big breath of some kind, we will be hearing more of Fritz.

He will leave his mark whatever that turns out to be.

Six is awfully young to give it up. Just getting to the good part.

Dave Quindt · Post by **Dave Quindt** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:08 pm

John,

Maybe you should follow Fritz's lead with Spot? I know a few people who will sign the petition

Didn't you want to retire early? Live vicariously through your dog!

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:03 pm

I would, but we are already havin' too much fun doin' what we are doin'. And besides, I left my show lead in my other pants.

We are busy gettin' ready for a rematch with Doug. He beat us you know, can you imagine that, an Am. beating a pro and a National Champion at the same time. So I am sadly going to have to keep myself warm with the thought that we coulda if we woulda.

Its not my game.

But snips and Rick and Fritz, they did it!

DGFavor · Post by **DGFavor** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:09 am

But snips and Rick and Fritz, they did it!

Yup, and me thinks if they want to go win an hour stake they're gonna do that too.
I've heard thru the cyber grapevine that a challenge has been put down for the Georgia NGSPA Ch's. next spring!!

Now there'd be a couple trials to get Fritz all primed up for after a season chasing birds around!! Clash of the titans!!

We are busy gettin' ready for a rematch with Doug.

Sheesh, can't ya' be happy winning the war? Do you have to win all the battles along the way too!!?

Fieldmaster · Post by **Fieldmaster** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:13 am

I to would love to see Fritz out there running in Championship stakes. But Rick , Brenda or Fritz don't have to prove nothing. They have already forwarded the breed leaps and bounds with what he has done thus far and my hats off to them. He done it in fine fashion and finished rather quickly in all venues. I have no doubts he could be an hour dog either.

He may never run Hour Stakes , but also I don't no of many if any Hour Stake dogs running that could compete in the Ring or for the most part show the ability to switch gears from, nstra ,MH to Horseback Trials and get this done so quick and with class.

Robert

snips · Post by **snips** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:56 pm

Thanks for the kind words folks! John, what is going to be in Ga. ? I never said Fritz was retired

And you are right about finding more stuff to do. You just never know

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:24 pm

Oh, just a couple of little hour championships in January. Nothing to get excited about or anything. Fritz probably would not like the trip anyway.

http://www.birddogposse.org/Content.asp ... 20Schedule

Dohse goes, hasn't done very well though, hasn't had the dogs in his string to win it I guess, or something. Only had a little old RU Open Shooting Dog Championship at one of em last year. Redbud's Rodeo Clown or something like that. Took second behind some dog from Ohio. Something or other LB or something like that.

snips · Post by **snips** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 3:13 pm

OK, gotcha. This year he was doing shows and MH. Will have to see :roll:

AHGSP · Post by **AHGSP** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:47 pm

Wagonmaster wrote:Oh, just a couple of little hour championships in January. Nothing to get excited about or anything. Fritz probably would not like the trip anyway.

http://www.birddogposse.org/Content.asp ... 20Schedule

Dohse goes, hasn't done very well though, hasn't had the dogs in his string to win it I guess, or something. Only had a little old RU Open Shooting Dog Championship at one of em last year. Redbud's Rodeo Clown or something like that. Took second behind some dog from Ohio. Something or other LB or something like that.

twitch, twitch....twitch, twitch.....

Didn't the owner of that LB whatever dog just recently make some sort of statement alluding to the outcome of that Trial down in GA?

DGFavor · Post by **DGFavor** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:37 pm

Didn't the owner of that LB whatever dog just recently make some sort of statement alluding to the outcome of that Trial down in GA?

Well ya' never know about cyber jabber but I'd heard a little something like that myself...(poke, prod, nudge...)

Truth is, he might be right and we might be better off not egging him on cause he's likely to do just that!!

stlgsp · Post by **stlgsp** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:57 pm

Congratulations Fritz, Rick & Brenda! Awesome job!

We met at the TBVC trial in February, I stopped by to get a "GSP fix" since my girl decided to come in season and had to stay home. You & Rick have awesome dogs and I could tell you both really care about the them.

I'll be watching the Crede/Fritz litter, should be great match. I have a 1/2 sister to Crede that I'd like to breed in a year or two and have had Fritz way up on the list of possible studs.