Region 16

Hotpepper · Post by **Hotpepper** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:23 pm

The NGSPA Region 16 will begin near Waynesboro, GA on February 15th. 2007. If anyone would like to attend, send me a PM and I will impart any information that I have about the championship.

Open Shooting Dog, allage, amateur and derby I think is the running order. Should be a really good championship.

Pepper

lvrgsp · Post by **lvrgsp** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:55 pm

Jerry,
The way you and LB have been running in Georgia, I would guess you are going.

Good luck,

Chip

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:30 pm

He is judging OSD and Derby.

Yawallac · Post by **Yawallac** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:05 pm

John,

Is Spot running down here? It's not too far, I might head over to watch.

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:37 pm

No, sorry Ross, they are at the Reg. 12 in Tombstone AZ right now. Lost Spot in the AA yesterday, got him back again but gone too long. Next on the list is the Reg. 7 in TX, which is tight, mesquite country, then to Booneville AR for the NGSPA Nationals, where he is qualified in the NC and also in the ASD if I can stay on my dang horse for an hour.

It just amazes me that he will work on foot at 150 yards, and then will run from horseback so big he gets lost in a desert All Age stake.

No, Hotpepper and his LB dog are ruling all the SE trials right now, I would guess they will put on a show in the ASD at the 16, you go watch him, it would be worth it.

original mngsp · Post by **original mngsp** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:23 am

It just amazes me that he will work on foot at 150 yards, and then will run from horseback so big he gets lost in a desert All Age stake.

It is isn't it. Most of the ones that are worth a darn are smart enough to adapt to the cover, purpose, etc.

Hotpepper · Post by **Hotpepper** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:56 am

Ray called last night and I do not have to judge the OSD as Rob is going to come down and do it, that way I get to run it. (Might double up again), man would that be something.

It is my understanding that being lost in the allage stake is not a bad thing, when you have so much country to hunt, being gone for 20 + minutes. Oh well, been there and done that.

Do you know how many allage wins LB has in the west, including the Region 12 in 05? How many at Sunnyside WA? Being an allage dog in the west is something, Craig and Queez lost LB on point in 3 different AAA stakes out there when I was not there.

I do not understand when there is a suggestion that the AA dog does not go with you or hunt. Hunter (Latest Edition) and Nuke are both national winners that get lost to the front, from breakaway.

Sounds to me like Spot is just getting better and better as a horseback allage dog. I know you are not discouraged John, great dog with a great trainer.

I had a fella come him looking for a puppy and Hoosier Buddy was here and making puppies, I told him I had a pick of the litter puppy coming and would let him have it for $300. (What a bargain). 2 months later I called and told him the puppy was available, he told me he went to Missouri and bought a great puppy for $800 and he was happy. Looks like maybe the old buddy dog might make the Hall of Fame someday. The man did not want a runoff, turned down the best nose in the country. LB and his 1st litter demonstate this teriffic nose still. Passing it along.

Pepper

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:10 pm

I know you are not discouraged John, great dog with a great trainer.

Oh heck no. No all age is going to win all of them, you are lucky to win once in ten times out. If the dog is not getting lost to the front every once in awhile, it is not an all age. I was pleased, not discouraged. He is really a tweener, we have been thinking that he was shortening up and should be in OSD, apparently not. So he goes in the AA for Booneville, and we have to hope we can git him around.

Post by **Greg Jennings** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:17 pm

Oh, my, Jerry. Didn't want a run-off? I wonder where the guy got that idea?

Best,

DGFavor · Post by **DGFavor** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:58 pm

It is my understanding that being lost in the allage stake is not a bad thing

Huh, I must not understand.

I've lost my dogs in trials plenty and thought it was a bad thing everytime...?? Lost is bad no matter what stake you are running in. Last spring a buddy was grouching about losing his dog in a shooting dog championship and complained "that's what happens when you run an AA dog in a shooting dog stake". When I pointed out that he wouldn't have won if it was an AA stake either, he just grumbled and wandered off to ponder the logic.

Last I checked, being lost to the front yields the same result as being lost in any other direction.

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:54 pm

Well, they found him in the OSD. He won it. Had a mile move to the front at the end, and a covey of 30 Mearns after time.

DGFavor · Post by **DGFavor** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:19 am

That's great John - congratulations! Really cool!

Ya see - ya finish, ya win!!

Mearns? You must not be talking about Reg. 16? Reg. 12 or Arizona SD Championship maybe??

Yawallac · Post by **Yawallac** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:18 am

Had a mile move to the front at the end, and a covey of 30 Mearns after time.

Wow John, that's pretty special!! Congrats!

original mngsp · Post by **original mngsp** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:43 am

John

Nice work by Spot and Eldon!!!

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:54 am

Yes, Reg. 12 OSD Ch. I am butting in on Jerry's thread.

Post by **Greg Jennings** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 11:03 am

Congrats to both you and Jerry!

Hotpepper · Post by **Hotpepper** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:19 pm

That is just wondereful to win the Regional 12 Shooting Dog. John seems to be a very nice fellow and am really looking forward to getting him to but me a shot of something. Althogh if LB keeps it going I will be buying forthe whole bunch.

Really happy for the man from Minnesota.

But the way John, close the back door as it is sooo cold here today and all this week. Talked to Short at Calgary and they are going training this afternoon.

Pepper

Chaingang · Post by **Chaingang** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:26 pm

Hotpepper wrote: But the way John, close the back door as it is sooo cold here today and all this week. Talked to Short at Calgary and they are going training this afternoon.

Pepper

Cooooold is an understatement. So far the high temp today is -10 below. Yes the high temp. Brrrrrrrrrrr.

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:53 pm

Yeah have been worried a little about the one horse I have at home. She lives outside, and doesn't seem to care if she goes in the loafing shed or not, but she seems health and hearty. Givin her more grain though...

Jerry, I have lost track. I think we are going to have to flip for it. The chances look good that I will be at Booneville and/or the NGPDA, so hope to see you there.

Hotpepper · Post by **Hotpepper** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:16 pm

John

Bud will be in Arkansas but not me, too busy here right then. Need to make a little money to pay dog bills.

Will be at the allbreed for a couple of stakes and will be judging at Region 5, I think.

The allbreed is less than 3 hours away for me, are you driving down?

Pepper

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:56 pm

I have not looked up the drive yet, so don't know how long it is, probably around 8 hours though. I will probably need to pick up a horse from Waresk at the All Breed, so will probably drive.

You know, we are anachronisms calling it the All Breed. That is what everybody calls the AKC Pointing Dog now, but hard to break an old habit.

Hotpepper · Post by **Hotpepper** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:09 pm

The allbreed in Illinois ahs been that for 40 eyars. It is and has been a great trial. I was field chairman for 7 years and took a different path than some on the deal.

It is the allbreed because of the 4 gereman pointing dogs that are eligible to run.

The National German Pointing Dog is the trial. Have the best trophy in the country, solid brass cast of the 4 breeds. Man I would love to win that thing.

Pepper

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:17 pm

Hey Jerr, I know the trial, I agree with you. Some years back it was THE biggest championship for GSP's as well as all the German breeds. The crown jewel. Word is, it is headed back in the right direction.

DGFavor · Post by **DGFavor** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 8:12 pm

It is the allbreed because of the 4 gereman pointing dogs that are eligible to run.

This always cracks me up! I'm a stickler I guess but that doesn't quite include all the breeds!! I suppose as long as people know exactly which breeds are eligible for the all breed it goes OK!!

What are the four german breeds eligible to run in that trial...I can only think of two??

Warm here today - mid 40's, melting snow. Nice day.

Hotpepper · Post by **Hotpepper** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:44 pm

they are

shorthair

wirehair

draathar

viz

hope those are ok

pepper

DGFavor · Post by **DGFavor** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 11:14 pm

they are

shorthair

wirehair

draathar

viz

All I could come up with initially Jer was the GSP and GWP. Then I figured probably weims...?? No?

Isn't a Draathar the same as a GWP and aren't vizslas from Hungary? Geez, I need to go back to geography class!!

I did a search for "german pointing dogs" and came up with these also now - griffons, munsterlanders, pudelpointers, german longhaired pointers.

(Sorry - got off the original topic - again

)

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:07 am

GSP

GWP

Weimaraner

Vizsla

The name is more reflective of what was going on in field trialing at the time, than actual breed history or land of origination. Weimar is a city in Germany and also a period in German history ("Weimar Republic"), as well as the name of the dog. These four breeds were the continental breeds that were holding field trials when the trial was set up, and the breeds that had a retrieving requirement.

There were some GWP's and V's that won it before the trial itself was nearly destroyed by the NFWS in 1992. The GWP that I recall, that I think won it, was Walker's Blue Movie, a dog that was around in the '80s, bred by Phil Walker, owned for awhile by Steve Ahlin (now deceased) and eventually purchased by Dr. Stan Haag. She was quite a dog. I believe Rozanek won it with his Vizsla's also.

Does that sound right, Jerr? Am going from long distant memory.

In any event, back in the day, the GSPCA was still rotating from region to region in the country, so was highly variable in quality and attendance, and the NGSPA was looking for a good home to run on. The All Breed was the crown jewel. Which is probably why the NFWS went after it.

Hotpepper · Post by **Hotpepper** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:48 am

Doug

You are correct it is the weim and not the Viz.

Sorry, was excited about the football game last night.

Pepper

Post by **Greg Jennings** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:13 am

Can someone elaborate on the Fish and Wildlife deal? I heard that they burned off the trial grounds during the trial w/o notice.

The trial looks to be 6 hours from me. If I can rent a horse, I might come down.

Best,

DGFavor · Post by **DGFavor** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:32 am

What about those other german pointing dogs? Eligible?

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:17 am

Greg-

http://epw.senate.gov/107th/hon_0719.htm

All too true.

Doug-

The AF announcement says: "Open to German Shorthaired Pointers - Vizslas - Drahthaars - Weimaraners." The term "Drahthaar" is the name used by AF for German Wirehaired Pointers, same thing.

You question about the rarer German breeds is pretty much theoretical though. The other breeds you mentioned do not have established field trials of any kind that I am aware of, and of those breeds, only the Griffon has an AKC breed club. Pretty much the same with the AF breed recognitions. Generally, those dogs operate under their own breed club standards, unrelated and unaffiliated with any field trial organization. In short, they don't ever ask to run.

Post by **Greg Jennings** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:54 pm

Wagonmaster wrote:Greg-

http://epw.senate.gov/107th/hon_0719.htm

All too true.

Thank you, John. I appreciate it.

Best regards,

Hotpepper · Post by **Hotpepper** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:15 am

Just wondering who is going this weekend and if you will be running a dog or what?

Geeorgia is 550 miles for me to get there and I can hardly wait to get there and run the dog again. Will be a lot of fun for sure.

Pepper

Post by **Greg Jennings** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:17 am

Good luck, Jerry! I hope LB has 'em standing up in the saddle.

Best,

Hotpepper · Post by **Hotpepper** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:41 pm

It is funny as he has been down with Rich for 3 weeks and man have I missed the boy. Hope he has done OK and I am told he is eating good and all is going really well.

Having had him home for the past year and now giving him up again, sure is not the same. Such an easy keeper and trainer, about an hour and half a week roading and that was about it.

Pepper

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 5:06 pm

Know what you mean Jerr, mine is the same way, except he weighs about 500 lbs. when you want him off the bed.

I am headed for the R5 here tomorrow. Good luck to you, I hope at least you get nice weather, and hope LB tears it up.

Hotpepper · Post by **Hotpepper** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 5:42 pm

We will get to make a buch of regionals this spring, the Good Lord provide we get to go. I am definitely planning Region 5, All Breed, Great Plains and AKC Gundog as well as Can am in Ohio and Region 4 in Michigan.

Are you gonna take Dave up on the offer of an amateur allage for Spot in Michigan. ? I will put my ole slug in any time to try and help. We might get Dr. Reynolds to come and bring his 3 aa's might be a real good stake.

Wife is going to retire the end of May so I may have a new traveling and full time "best" partner.

Pepper

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 5:58 pm

My concern with that is whether I will have the dog back in time. The end of the spring schedule that Eldon runs varies, and there is talk of there being a Region 10 this year which he would want to go to. So I may not have the dog in time for Ionia or any related bookend, and won't know probably until sometime in April, which is probably too late for Dave if he is setting up a trial two or three weeks later. Sorry. But I am planning on the R5, All Breed, or the GPC, at least one of those, so will see you and we can sit down for dinner.

Hotpepper · Post by **Hotpepper** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:06 am

Will get it done for you. Hope I do not have any trouble getting out in the morning. Ice and snow are supposed to show up here today.

Indianapolis is getting a foot of snow today and we got 2 inches of rain last night and this morning

Pepper

Hotpepper · Post by **Hotpepper** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:29 pm

Got a call this morning from Ray and the allage has been cancelled and so the trial will be shorter by a day. The allage dogs will then end up in the shooting dog and then get lost so we will be looking for dogs.

Looks like a good entry with all the guys that are going.

Will let you know when I get back on Monday.

Pepper

DGFavor · Post by **DGFavor** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:41 pm

The allage dogs will then end up in the shooting dog and then get lost so we will be looking for dogs.

Why's that Jer? Are the AA and SD courses different and you figure the SD course doesn't lend itself to AA? If they are the same courses, are you figuring they'll get lost because the scouting will be more controlled in the SD stake?

Good luck - wish we could come watch!!

Hotpepper · Post by **Hotpepper** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:35 pm

Doug

The Region 16 was shooting dog and a derby stake. The all age was cancelled.

20 shooting dogs in the Open:

Winner FC/AFC Durfur's Hoosier LB (LIL BUD)
RU Rodie Ray Doshe dog (Litter mate to Echo's Little Bit of Clown)

Amateur Shooting Dog 11 dogs
Winner Diamond S Angus (I Think) Handler Me.
RU Echo's Little Bit of Clown (Tom DaviS)

It was a great trial and in the shooting dog on Thursday, LB was a true Big Shooting Dog with 4 beautiful dug up finds. On Saturday in the amateur he was the allage dog that I love to run at Sunnyside and so much dog that I lost him. Wind was a factor at 35mph.

That is 3 hours championships for him and it is early.
Pepper

DGFavor · Post by **DGFavor** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:04 pm

Right on Jer!! Exciting!! More pats on the head for you guys!!

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