hunting accident

[snips]

Hunting accidents happen everyday, unfortunatly. It has to be a horrible experience for anyone that has it happen to them. I cannot condemn anyone when you don`t know the entire story, as someone that has looked down the barrel and pulled the trigger just as I saw someone come over the rise toward me in a FT. Fortunatly my gun jammed, and it was too far to do damage if it had`nt. But, enough to scare the bejebbers outa me. I know when there are quail bustin out in every direction you have to be very alert to everything around you at all times. I am always bad about splitting off to go hunt my own way, so it is always on my mind that someone know where I am, or keep an idea of where others are when shooting. (they make me carry a walkie talkie because I am always getting lost). If dogs point we call out "I have a point" and others will identify if they are in the area. Many times I have let people know my whereabouts in hilly areas when they call out "point." We have several clients that are lawyers, so there have been many lawyer jokes the last couple of days, but all kidding aside, it is a serious matter that can happen to anyone and I feel for them. I don`t like it being a political thing or a media thing, it was just a horrible accident.

[ezzy333]

Well said Brenda and oh so true. We all have alert at all times and it is easier to get distracted or deperated when we are hunting with our dogs. It just take that split second that we forget to make sure where everyone is that can get you.

I too hate the fact that the media is trying to make a big deal out of this for all of the wrong reasons. If it had been you or I no one outside our immediate area would even know and the media wouldn't pick it up even if someone wanted them to.

Ezzy

[adaptable dog]

Why shouldn't the media make a big deal out of this careless shooting? This guy is the vice president of the USA. This is also a guy who claims to be about gun rights, gun ownership, and hunting........He is an NRA boy. Yet, when in the field, he is obviously unsafe. He shot a man, and at close range. He didn't trip and have the gun discharge. He shot the man while trying to shoot a quail!! You don't find that a bit hypocritical? I find it hilarious..........but sad for the poor attorney who was foolish enough to go afield with him. You know Cheney talks the talk about guns, gun ownership, hunting, but he can't walk the walk. People need to quit making excuses for this guy, his poor judgement, and his careless gun handling ablility. :roll: He is responsible for that gun, its discharging, the direction of the discharge, and what that gun's discharge hits. He is responsible for that weapon while it is in his hands. There are no excuses.

[Toyman]

I'm a little confused. Is this your opinion on gun safety...or politics?

[original mngsp]

People need to quit making excuses for this guy, his poor judgement, and his careless gun handling ablility. He is responsible for that gun, its discharging, the direction of the discharge, and what that gun's discharge hits. He is responsible for that weapon while it is in his hands. There are no excuses.

Exactly!! I am sure it was an accident and he feels terrible about shooting his friend, but it is still his fault regardless.

I know I have passed up many shots in the field over the years because I saw something or just had a feeling. Yeah, in hindsight most of those probably would have been safe shots to take. But is it worth the risk to a person, someones livestock or other property just for a bird? I think not.

Shame on Mr. Cheney for showing such little care and lack of respect when using a firearm.

[Quailhunter]

I'm a little confused. Is this your opinion on gun safety...or politics?

Good question Toyman. My guess would be that his opinion is politically based.

[adaptable dog]

Some people just don't get it and never will.

[snips]

There is no doubt that it is his fault, just as it was Diamonds fault they killed a bunch of dogs. As someone else said, if it were you or I it would not be a circus. He did not shoot the guy intentially, just as Diamond did not do it intentially. Bad mistakes happen.

[ezzy333]

Attention,

No one is making excuses about this incident. And no one is disputing that the man with the gun is at fault or at least caused the accident by shooting when and where he did.

That said, the tone of some of the posts on here point out they are strictly political and those will not be accepted here on this site. We are about gun dogs and not politics.

I believe some of you have been warned and it appears you are ignoring that reasonable request. I would change the tone of your posts to comply with that requwst immediately.

Ezzy

[Buckeye_V]

Thank you for keeping the thread on course ezzy.

[rschuster54303`]

As a Man he made a mistake, any man or woman out in the field has a responciblilty to safety plain and simple.

As a hunter he was out doing something he probably enjoyed as it stated that he had done this for a number of years with the same person that got injured. That shows that at least as a person he is honest in that he enjoys our sport.

In the state of Wisconsin a number of people die each year from hunting accidents, but they never make it nationally,( unless a hunter goes on a rampage and shoots 4 or 5 people). To that end I felt the media handled the story poorly and didn't feel it merited metionion in a political light.

Accidents happen, I don't feel it should be ignored I just don't think it desirves this much attention. Plain and simple as much as any of us would want to take the accident back should it happen to us, we can't and I am sure as Man he probably feels just rotten.

I hope this post was acceptable I had no political motivations, I just wanted to explain how I felt about it.

Regards,

Rob

[Yawallac]

The accident should remind us all that we have a great responsibility while hunting. I hunt with my two sons and I used this to emphasize and further stress the importance of gun safety. I'd hate to lose one of my guys doing something that we are so passionate about.

Please be careful out there...

[markj]

Best wishes for the man shot, I hope he heals well and fast, I hope he continues to hunt, same for Cheney. As a hunter to another hunter, all politics aside.

Glad this hasnt happened to any of my hunting buddies and it will darn sure remind us to always keep safety in mind in everything we do.

[adaptable dog]

That said, the tone of some of the posts on here point out they are strictly political and those will not be accepted here on this site. We are about gun dogs and not politics.

I can not help how you perceive things.

This post is all about hunting and dogs . Hunting with dogs is what proved to be Mr. Cheney's undoing. Cheney was hunting over dogs and using guns. While engaged in this activity Mr. Cheney blasted a member of his hunting party. It would make no difference if it were Bozo the clown. At least to the best of my knowledge Bozo hasn't yet shot anyone while hunting. :roll: If he did you would have just as big of a circus around the event. It really isn't that tough to figure out. Guys who shoot other hunting members while out hunting, should never be allowed to hunt again!! End of story.

Quit carrying the water bucket for irresponsible hunters.

[Buckeye_V]

Guys who shoot other hunting members while out hunting, should never be allowed to hunt again!! End of story.

That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. However, what some of us have been trying to say is that we do not know the whole story as to why it happened. To paint the picture with one broad stroke is not fair to any person, regardless of their occupation or involvement in the situation.

He made a mistake, obviously. The fact that some people are more harsh than others is an implication of political positioning. Ezzy is attempting to cut it off before it goes any further.

[Toyman]

I really do think I get it. Yes it happened and it shouldn't have happened as there is no such thing as an "accident". But I still think your post might have something to do with politics. What are you doing about drunk drivers, drivers without insurance, poor parenting parents, etc.? We have all made poor judgements in our life. And sometimes we have to deal with the outcome. But it's not because of politics.

Toyman

[Ayres]

Dỉck Cheney, a man, not in his capacity as the Vice President, made a mistake. This was a horrible, horrible incident of ignored hunter safety standards.

However, because Cheney is the V.P., this incident became a newsworthy event and the media has reported on it accordingly. Should they? Yes. That's freedom of the press and the duty of the press is to have an uninhibited flow of information from the news source to the public.

That being said, I'm of the firm belief that the only condemnation Cheney deserves should come from the man he shot. Cheney has owned up to his mistake, and his friend has forgiven him for the human error. How much more public berating should the man have to take?

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.





This is my view regardless of Cheney's status as a Republican. I don't care if he was a Democrat, Independant, Green, Whig or Tory. So, as Ezzy said, let's keep this from getting political and remember that mankind is not robotically perfect and I am sure that every one of us has made some mistake in the field, even if it's as small as not clicking on the safety, with or without consequences. Broad, sweeping generalizations and blowing this incident out of proportion leads to the presumption that a post is politically motivated, especially when combined with statements about other political platforms in conjunction with this specific incident. So if anyone wants to post in that nature, there better be a darn good and reasonable explanation as to why such a post should not be deemed political, otherwise moderator action will be taken.

Public service announcement aside, feel free to contribute to the thread in an orderly manner.

[adaptable dog]

I heard today that a part of the original story was edited out. The quote "I am sure a few beers were available on the ranch" by the woman who owned the ranch, when questioned about the shooting, was edited out of the original newspaper article, reporting the incident.

If, and I say if that is true.....it only makes him twice as stupid, at the very least.

Alcohol and guns=shooting. :shock: :shock: :shock:

The scary part is this is the number #2 guy. :roll:

[Ayres]

Yes alcohol and guns don't mix. But "beers available at the ranch," could have simply meant that the hunting party was expected to meet back at the ranch to split some cold ones after the hunt. (An occurrance not too uncommon.)

Benefit of the doubt rule goes into effect here. There is no indication in any report that Cheney was drunk, so let's not infer that without solid proof.

[adaptable dog]

I didn't say he was drunk, you infer that. Cheney though has now admitted to drinking beer at lunch. That was before the shooting occured. Cheney of course says he only had one beer. That maybe true, or maybe not.... :roll: Point is he has just made the double dumba$$ list.

Firearms + alcohol= :shock:

You guys as hunters and gun owners, ought to be outraged. He is a blackeye to all who would own and use weapons, and hunt. He talks the talk, but he can't walk the walk.

Now here is the political part. This is not surpising to me if you check out the history and the policies of the adminstration he serves. :roll: :roll:

That is it for me, enough on this.

[Ayres]

I didn't say he was drunk, you infer that. Cheney though has now admitted to drinking beer at lunch. That was before the shooting occured. Cheney of course says he only had one beer. That maybe true, or maybe not.... :roll:

I didn't infer that he was drunk, you insinuated that he was drunk, with no proof or fact. Twice now.

Also, this thread is going nowhere but a downward spiral. Politically motivated posts are not allowed, especially when they are rude and disdainful of anyone with an opposing view. Grant, the site Administrator, did not install a political forum because the members asked that he did not. There are plenty of other web forums to express political views and outrages in. Because that is the case, this thread has had the last few posts cleaned up and is now locked.

[Ayres]

Ok, I've had a request to unlock this post so discussion can continue on hunter safety. I think we're at a point now where we can do that. Let's keep politics out of it though.

[blanked]

at least nobody is blaming the gun manufacture like so many liberals have done in the past

[catfishsteve]

<Guys who shoot other hunting members while out hunting, should never be allowed to hunt again!! End of story. >

Well, here's hoping that you are always as perfect as you expect everyone esle to be.

It's the guys who think they can never make a mistake that really give me the willies when they pick up a gun.

I'd rather hunt with a guy who knows he's human, frankly.

[GSPaddict]

This is a big concern for me as a new hunter. I will hunt for the first time this upcoming season. I am taking my course on firearms handling and hunting next month. However to be honest I am scared. Having to be quick on the trigger to be efficient while scouting the environment is for me the biggest challenge of all. Maybe I am a sissy, but I could never forgive myself if anything would happen to someone or to my dog.

I plan to go hunting alone at first so I will have less to worry about.
This way I will learn my gun, my dog, bird reactions, etc.

[markj]

I plan to go hunting alone at first so I will have less to worry about.

I recommend a expirienced hunter take you along in case you hurt yourself..... it could happen, it isnt good to be alone at that moment.

[portsider44]

I plan to go hunting alone at first so I will have less to worry about.
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I agree with Mark, take an expericed hunter with you. SOunds like you are very nervous about your first hunt & trying to keep up with a dog & keep your head clear may be a little much to handle.

Plus having some who can focus of handling the dog & leaving you to handle the shooting might make things more enjoyable.

[GSPaddict]

Your suggestions make total sense. I will definitly do that.

[markj]

GSPaddict, better yet, drop on down to Iowa and we will include you wit hthe youngins, I dont carry when hunting with them, neither does my brother, we let them have first crack it is actually the best hunting I get, the way they light up on that first bird gets me where it counts. It is addicting and I must warn everyone that hunting with the youngins will change your way of thinking and you will want more and more....... I am glad crappies are on soon that is another discussion tho...

[GSPaddict]

IF only I could fly....................... free