Sticky situation:

DGFavor · Post by **DGFavor** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:14 pm

Never a dull moment in the wilds - Stoney after attending a class at Porky U. today:

Post by **Ayres** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:50 pm

OUCH!!!

Poor little guy...

Let us know how he's doing.

pdiddy · Post by **pdiddy** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:39 am

every last one of them should be shot and pissed on. porcupine and skunk have got to be the absolute worst creatures in the world for bird dogs!

Sorno · Post by **Sorno** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:39 am

Yowww! I hope the little feller is alright.

Here is the big question, Do you think he learned his lesson?

Dirtysteve · Post by **Dirtysteve** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:09 am

Knock on wood I have never ran across a porky with my dogs.
It would be trouble because Buddy is a skunk killing machine and I know he would try a porky.

Doug
Does the dog swell after all those quills are taken out?

Post by **Ayres** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:45 am

Do porky quills have barbs on the end or something? If not, then what makes them stick so bad?

MNGSP · Post by **MNGSP** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:12 am

Yes they do have a small barbs all along the bottom.

Jon

DGFavor · Post by **DGFavor** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:18 am

Stoney was fine - he kept right on hunting and pointed birds with the quills in his face. We tried to pull them out right away but just couldn't hold him still so had to do the duct tape deal when we got back to the truck. He hasn't had any swelling or anything - my dad will watch him close to make sure he doesn't develop an abscess or complication. I've had dogs get it much worse. I hope this was a mild but effective education for him!!

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:57 am

Just as a point of information, they not only have barbs, but the quills can break off if you are not careful during removal, and then, because of the barbs, the remainder will work its way through any tissue in a manner similar to spear grass. It is very important to get the removal right, and particularly to check for any quills inside the mouth or in the back of the throat.

One problem is that most dogs learn the wrong lesson from an encounter with a porky. They don't learn to avoid the next one, they learn to attack it harder. Ain't that right Doug?

All I can say is owey owey! Hurts just looking at it.

sandhill · Post by **sandhill** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:32 pm

DJ
Sorry to see that , my pup got into one couple weeks back none in her mouth but all up under her chin. The quills do have barbs and they are also hollow if you carry a pair of toenail clippers in your kit cut them about half way down and it deflates them, Then with the pliers you have to push in to release the barb and pull out. That way your guaranteed not to leave the barb behind. Worked for me

Steve

Coach529 · Post by **Coach529** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:47 pm

Darn that looks painful...poor little guy!!

DGFavor · Post by **DGFavor** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:59 pm

Stoney hunted his buns off today no worse for wear. That dog has some serious giddyup - not sure why I gave him to my aging dad with the bad ticker. Don't let me be in charge of matching up a puppy for ya'!

I've only had one dog get into a porcupine more than once and she makes it nearly a yearly ritual along with tearing up a skunk or two. I think she's the protypical old school GSP that'll take on anything anywhere but loves to hang out at the bus stop letting the kids all pamper her. My buddy "babysat" her this summer and took her camping with his family - said she was trying to take on a bear or something going bump in the night outside their tent. 'Ol Lils.

sharptailhunter · Post by **sharptailhunter** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:22 pm

DGFavor wrote: My buddy "babysat" her this summer and took her camping with his family - said she was trying to take on a bear or something going bump in the night outside their tent. 'Ol Lils.

Not only did she protect us, but she was a s'more eating machine!

DGFavor · Post by **DGFavor** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:06 pm

S'mores..........bears...

S'mores......bears...

S'mores...bears...

S'moresbears...

Ding, ding, ding!!

DGFavor · Post by **DGFavor** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:22 am

Bought a new rifle a while ago - new 30-30 Marlin XLR that shoots that new Hornady Lever Revolution ammo. Kinda cool. Nice saddlegun for coyotes if I could ever see one while I was carrying it. Sharptailhunter did manage one day to miss a coyote by 10' with it from 150yds. Still laughing about that one.

Anyhew...today Lily pointed a porcupine about 15ft. from the horse trailer that was just begging to stick one of the dogs. So now one confirmed kill for Marlin. I thought it was charging me like a cape buffalo when I shot it...Sharptailhunter alleges it was just sitting there. Apparently he's never dealt with dangerous game before.

sdgord · Post by **sdgord** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 5:51 pm

Worst one I heard of was Gundogdoc told me about a wirehair that retrieved a porky to hand. Gotta be a tough dog. SDGORD

sharptailhunter · Post by **sharptailhunter** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:30 pm

DGFavor wrote: Sharptailhunter did manage one day to miss a coyote by 10' with it from 150yds. Still laughing about that one.

Most people actually sight in their rifles after they take em home :roll:

DGFavor wrote: Apparently he's never dealt with dangerous game before.

Whoa nelly, the wifey 'bout took away all my kitchen passes after she heard you shot a "poor innocent" animal. Could she be considered "dangerous game"?

Northern_Hunting_Mom · Post by **Northern_Hunting_Mom** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:04 pm

Hate the miserable bastads. Soem dogs learn not to touch again and many just hit harder next time. If I ever see any on the side of the road and I have a dog(s) with me, its time for unpleasantness. If the unpleasantness happens BEFORE they hit maybe it prevents a painful extraction. I've had a porky around the house and my old malmutt was the only one with quills (3 in his chin). My griff didn't touch but she had some unpleasantness training.

BTW, cutting the quill does NOT release air from the quill and just adds extra time and grief to your dog. Grab from the base and pull in the direction of entry with a steady strong pull with no yanking. Pushing it in doesn't help. Always a calm and steady voice. Don't believe me, check with your vet.

twicebarrel · Post by **twicebarrel** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:22 am

My Bandit met Mr. Porky (R.I.P.) twice in Montana. As somebody else pointed out, some dogs learn, some go back for more, convinced they will win the next round. Bandit still thinks he can win.

wannabe · Post by **wannabe** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:54 am

Northern_Hunting_Mom wrote:BTW, cutting the quill does NOT release air from the quill and just adds extra time and grief to your dog. Grab from the base and pull in the direction of entry with a steady strong pull with no yanking. Pushing it in doesn't help. Always a calm and steady voice. Don't believe me, check with your vet.

I agree with Mom. Don't bother trying to deflate the quills; this is an old wives tale with no scientific proof. If the quill is broken off, or you can't get a grip on it, try pushing it through the flesh and pull it out by the pointed end.

I ended up putting my #2 bird dog down a few years ago after he attacked a porky. I suspect a quill migrated into his brain or some other place that caused him considerable pain, because he was never the same after that. I pulled one quill out of the corner of his eye; it had traveled from inside his mouth and through the sinus area.

We had one minor porky incident while hunting in western North Dakota last week. We carry a pair of needle nose pliers for just an occasion.

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