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Huns in Montana

Postby GrayDawg » Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:43 pm

If any of y'all were going to Montana to hunt Huns,
what would be your ideal shooting set up? (Shotgun gage, barrel length..... shot size?)

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Re: Huns in Montana

Postby Bedight » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:07 pm

I have successfully used a 20 gauge, 26" barrels, IC & Mod chokes early in the season and when hunting in fresh snow. Mod and full mid to late season (no snow). Always over good pointing dogs. I have no experience hunting Greys with flushing dogs so don't know what gauge and shot would be best for that scenario.

Coveys usually flush in big, fast group and land about 400 yards away. Usually you can locate the covey for a second try, afer the second flush they tend to head for Canada and a re not seen again that day.

Sometimes, not often, in mid-day a covey may be widely scattered ,allowing your dog to locate singles which will hold well and a smaller gauge and shot and more open choke could be used, but the Covey flush is more likely and the smaller gauge and shot would not be effective.

A light 20 gauge double with IC and Mod chokes 7, 7 1/2, or 8 shot is probably the best compromise.
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Re: Huns in Montana

Postby Featherfinder » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:50 pm

I use a 20 gauge double gun with 2 3/4" Kent 1 ounce #6s - choked I/C and mod or, in my favorite fixed choke "Huns" gun, I/C and full. I hate having to chase cripples and I am careful to take one bird out of the covey at a time or you limit out too soon. In doing so, I focus on that bird and ideally drop it for an easy retrieve by my dog. I'm not a proponent of 3" anything unless waterfowling/steel.
I'm not saying you can't use anything else. I am saying it's what I have used for years on Huns (prairies) after chasing too many cripples with super-fast, plated 7 1/2s. With 6s you still have that downfield effectiveness you need.
Further-to-this, I shoot so that what I collect is table worthy. 6s with a calmer approach rarely let's me down in terms of effectiveness and table fare.
As for length of barrel, the fallacy that 2 inches off the end of a barrel will make you that much faster or serve you in dense woods is a myth. If anything, your mount will be whippy and you will miss birds you otherwise wouldn't have missed. Your height, build, arm length, etc. will play into barrel length providing a consistent, smooth, balanced swing, more than you might imagine.
I'm only 5'9" and 27 1/2" - 28" inch barrels prove deadly on a wide variety of birds.
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Re: Huns in Montana

Postby nevermind » Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:44 am

I like using #6 shot. You could find Sharptails or Pheasants (2nd weekend Oct. opening) in some areas where there's Huns.
20ga is what I use.
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Re: Huns in Montana

Postby Gordon Guy » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:13 am

I second what Featherfinder and Nevermind recommend. I primarily hunt Huns over pointing dogs in Idaho and I shoot a 16 gauge SXS choked IC and Full. I use RST 2.5", 1200 Ft per Second, 1 oz of 6's early and 5's late in the yr. Birds flushing 25 30 yards from the dog is common. Using bigger shot would give me a few extra yards in pellet energy. I focus on one bird at a time from a covey rise, and experience fewer lost birds that way. Choice of gun really depends on what you shoot best. Where I hunt there is no second opportunity for a re-flush. They generally fly out of sight so getting shooting at tight sitting singles is not an option.
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Re: Huns in Montana

Postby fishvik » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:44 am

I usually run into huns when I'm hunting pheasants or sharpies so I just use those loads and gun. 870 12 ga with mod or IC and 1 1/8 of #6s.
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Re: Huns in Montana

Postby Featherfinder » Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:45 pm

Gordon Guy - 16 gauge....sweet! I used a wide variety if RST shells too (20 & 28 gauge) but not their 1 ounce 20 gauge loads. Most of what I used was lighter but also had a lighter application such as woodcock, or when dropping birds during training. RST also make 2" shells and paper hulls as well. Very nice for some of the older classic double guns (wish I had one!). "Julie" is VERY informative and provides a service that is a consistent with the classy RST brand.
Shells are a bit like dog food. Reading what is on the label or looking at the picture does not always convey the quality within.
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Re: Huns in Montana

Postby Gordon Guy » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:58 am

FeatherFinder, "Shells are a bit like dog food. Reading what is on the label or looking at the picture does not always convey the quality within."

I agree. I'm recoil sensitive and the shells they produce are much more comfortable to shoot then the factory loads I use to use. When shooting light weight guns felt recoil is a real consideration.
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Re: Huns in Montana

Postby Featherfinder » Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:35 am

Gordon Guy, I agree 100%. With the right RST shells, you get quality over quantity. Sadly, a large number of poor shots look at quantity in the hope that it will make them decent shots. It doesn't work that way. Hence my comment about never using 3" shells (unless with 12 gauge steel for waterfowl).
When I see 1 1/8 in 20 gauge, it tells me what I need to know about the buyer's ability. Like my father use to say, "It's not about the size of the hammer...it's about the guy on the handle."
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Re: Huns in Montana

Postby cjhills » Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:41 am

Featherfinder wrote:Gordon Guy, I agree 100%. With the right RST shells, you get quality over quantity. Sadly, a large number of poor shots look at quantity in the hope that it will make them decent shots. It doesn't work that way. Hence my comment about never using 3" shells (unless with 12 gauge steel for waterfowl).
When I see 1 1/8 in 20 gauge, it tells me what I need to know about the buyer's ability. Like my father use to say, "It's not about the size of the hammer...it's about the guy on the handle."

Don't know a lot about shot shells. I have went to lighter loads in my 20 gauge berretta auto. But as any framer knows your dad was wrong about the hammer........CJ
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Re: Huns in Montana

Postby Featherfinder » Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:08 am

CJ, you say you went lighter in your Beretta but you didn't mention what you actually would use on Huns?
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Re: Huns in Montana

Postby cjhills » Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:06 pm

Featherfinder wrote:CJ, you say you went lighter in your Beretta but you didn't mention what you actually would use on Huns?

a oz of 6 if I can find them.......Cj
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