Vonrommel wrote:...And P.S.,
I use a blank gun, so I know I'm not hurting the population in February.
Vonrommel wrote:Bittersweet isn't the only late season forage for ruffed grouse in Eastern TN. It may be in Ohio, but not here. ...
Ryman Gun Dog wrote:... Sport hunting has no adverse effect on over all Grouse populations, as long as the hunters abide by the law and are ethical wing shooting hunters.
Vonrommel wrote:Alright, I'd be willing to give up my Feb. season for an increase in grouse numbers across the board in the southern apps, particularly, East Tennessee, without any change to habitat improvements in the process.
Can you present facts that it will happen?
Facts that it has happened in a previous State/County/Region/or area, for that matter?
Tell me where those documents are.
Ryman Gun Dog wrote:Gentlemen,
So far no study has ever proven that closing Grouse season to human sport hunting has increased any Grouse population any where in any state.
The PGC/RGS study actually proved hunting was benificial to the over all Grouse population, this study really up set the late season theory big time. GBE did no one any favor with his unproven theory on late winter Grouse hunting, infact the Grouse Biologists in WV told him just that, and they still hunt into Feb in WV. Until Predator birds are put back on the hunting list, and forests are managed properly the outer edges of the Grouses living range, will continue to shrink in population.
You will never hear a Professional Biologist like Eric Miller (PGC SGL Chief Biologist) or Bill Parmer retired PGC Rought Grouse Biologist, advocating the closing of
Grouse seasons, or late winter hunting. There simply is no biological proof that it increases Grouse populations. In fact Bill Palmer advised the PGC to further extend Grouse season because there were fewer Grouse hunters, than there use to be. In fact he advised the PGC that letting the season open year around would have no adverse effect on the over all Grouse population. Don't get me wrong Bill Palmer did not want a year around Grouse season, it was his way of making a Biological point.
These unproven theories have been used by politicians to limit Grouse seasons for generations, they need to be discarded and biological proof should determine
Grouse seasons and Grouse hunting limits. The late winter Grouse hunting theory and Global warming are both political BS, fact disproves them both, and yet certain people still want it to be true.