Spay/Neuter question - actually, for those with intact dogs
Spay/Neuter question - actually, for those with intact dogs
How many keep their dogs into old age intact?
Who had experienced in the intact males testicular cancer or prostate cancer?
Who has experienced pyometra or breast cancer in an intact senior matron?
I have read both pro-alter and con-alter information, but I just wanted to know the experience of this group.
[Edited to add the last option.]
Who had experienced in the intact males testicular cancer or prostate cancer?
Who has experienced pyometra or breast cancer in an intact senior matron?
I have read both pro-alter and con-alter information, but I just wanted to know the experience of this group.
[Edited to add the last option.]
I have never neutered a dog and have had one case of cancer out of somewhere near 50 dogs. There is recent evidense that it may have little effect on reducing problems and in some cases increase the risk.
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It's not how many breaths you have taken but how many times it has been taken away!
Has anyone noticed common sense isn't very common anymore.
http://www.perfectpedigrees.com/4genview.php?id=207
It's not how many breaths you have taken but how many times it has been taken away!
Has anyone noticed common sense isn't very common anymore.
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- markerdown
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I have neutered /spayed my last 2 GSP's at 6 months. I will never do it that early again. My current pup is almost a year old and still intact.
Despite what some folks will say, I firmly believe that these dogs need the testosterone/estrogen to fully develop muscles and strengthen ligaments. These are working/hunting dogs and what is advocated by vets and animal groups to spay/neuter early is for lap dogs. They however, do not make the distinction. It’s up to the owner. ……………
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Despite what some folks will say, I firmly believe that these dogs need the testosterone/estrogen to fully develop muscles and strengthen ligaments. These are working/hunting dogs and what is advocated by vets and animal groups to spay/neuter early is for lap dogs. They however, do not make the distinction. It’s up to the owner. ……………
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Care deeply, Speak kindly.
Hug your GSP often
Leave the rest to God.
- mountaindogs
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I have two labs, both intact male (2 years) and female (1 years) old. I went to two different vets when I first bought my male (trying to find one I liked). The first one said...have him altered, it won't make any diffference. (I haven't decided about breeding yet) After I mentioned I wasn't planning to have him altered yet, he told me he would mature differently, more muscle and a heavier bone structure. Didn't ask about my female.
Haven't had any health trouble but they are both young so it doesn't really count.
Haven't had any health trouble but they are both young so it doesn't really count.
- big steve46
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I apologize if this is getting off topic but my BIG issue recently with intact males, NOT referring to my own dogs, are the owners who don't/can't keep them confined to their own property.
I have 4 dogs contained in a little over an acre by an invisible fence. That's what fits in our neighborhood, our pocket book, and works great for us. However, I'm ready to load the neighbors intact males with bird shot when they wander over onto our property. This is primarily due to pure negligence on the owners part of these dogs - we've had a few labs and a husky wander in. They pi** on my flowers and landscaping and get confrontational with my males. I do have two intact females and it isn't fair I should have to worry about all the dogs in town - which has a leash law. We do not live in a rural area either.
Therefore, if you cannot contain and control your intacts, then NEUTER/SPAY!!!
I have 4 dogs contained in a little over an acre by an invisible fence. That's what fits in our neighborhood, our pocket book, and works great for us. However, I'm ready to load the neighbors intact males with bird shot when they wander over onto our property. This is primarily due to pure negligence on the owners part of these dogs - we've had a few labs and a husky wander in. They pi** on my flowers and landscaping and get confrontational with my males. I do have two intact females and it isn't fair I should have to worry about all the dogs in town - which has a leash law. We do not live in a rural area either.
Therefore, if you cannot contain and control your intacts, then NEUTER/SPAY!!!
- zodiakgsps
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My bf has a 5 yo female with mammary cancer. She always had false pregnancies and last year I found 3 pea-sized lumps, she was spayed & 6 mammary glands removed.
She just got home last night from a second surgery to remove another lump that recurred where a gland was removed(larger than the first, grew quickly), with the speed it came back we were given a year or so more with her.
Although she is not mine, she has lived with me for 4 years now, an awesome field dog & great pet....I'm quite attached to her, hard to face losing such a young, nice dog.
As soon as she's healed I plan on getting her some quail, as I have access to regulated retriever-training grounds!!! We will hunt all spring & summer long........
She just got home last night from a second surgery to remove another lump that recurred where a gland was removed(larger than the first, grew quickly), with the speed it came back we were given a year or so more with her.
Although she is not mine, she has lived with me for 4 years now, an awesome field dog & great pet....I'm quite attached to her, hard to face losing such a young, nice dog.
As soon as she's healed I plan on getting her some quail, as I have access to regulated retriever-training grounds!!! We will hunt all spring & summer long........
"Therefore, if you cannot contain and control your intacts, then NEUTER/SPAY!!!"
I agree, I have mine fenced, but I get the same problem with some of the neighborhood dogs in the front of my house, and they come up in back and like to fence fight with my male. It is a real pain when people let there dogs run loose even if they aren't spayed or neutered.
I agree, I have mine fenced, but I get the same problem with some of the neighborhood dogs in the front of my house, and they come up in back and like to fence fight with my male. It is a real pain when people let there dogs run loose even if they aren't spayed or neutered.
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You need to do this as a two part one for females and one for males
My significant other his setter we have had one female ..she got mammery canceer showed up quickly and got hugh fast she was older
Had a male setter I was shaving him and in the process one of his testicles was rock hard
had one female she got pymetria (sp?)
most no problem but you have enough dogs it isn't a matter of If it is a matter of When
My significant other his setter we have had one female ..she got mammery canceer showed up quickly and got hugh fast she was older
Had a male setter I was shaving him and in the process one of his testicles was rock hard
had one female she got pymetria (sp?)
most no problem but you have enough dogs it isn't a matter of If it is a matter of When
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"When I hear somebody talk about a horse or cow being stupid, I figure its a sure sign that the animal has outfoxed them." Tom Dorrance
If you feel like you are banging your head against the wall, try using the door.
I've had three GSPs all females. 2 were spayed after the first litters 2-2 1/2 years old and lived to old age. One developed Urinary incontenence at around 6 years old. A completely disgusting problem but controlable with expensive meds.
Kept a pup from the last litter and had her spayed at 5 months.
I had numerous behavioral problems with this dog who was affraid of everything and everyone and I believe it was directly caused by failing to allow her to mature intact. I have never had a dog affraid of anything and there sure was no good reason for this that she learned from us or her mates.
She died of Mammary cancer at age 4 and although it was very sad it was also a blessing as I was always worried and could not trust her with the fear complex. Friends would come over and two dogs were happy to see them and to have company and this one would run and hide.
Gary
Kept a pup from the last litter and had her spayed at 5 months.
I had numerous behavioral problems with this dog who was affraid of everything and everyone and I believe it was directly caused by failing to allow her to mature intact. I have never had a dog affraid of anything and there sure was no good reason for this that she learned from us or her mates.
She died of Mammary cancer at age 4 and although it was very sad it was also a blessing as I was always worried and could not trust her with the fear complex. Friends would come over and two dogs were happy to see them and to have company and this one would run and hide.
Gary