Roach Bait

markm · Post by **markm** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 7:55 am

My V got ahold of some roach bait last night and I found her chewing the thing apart in the backyard. Evidently the previous owners of the house had placed a few in the garage before they left. She got the first one chewed apart before I saw her with it. I took it from her and threw it away, went back inside and a few minutes later she had found another one. I got that one before she chewed it up. Seems she has a nose for them now. I've checked the rest of the garage and made sure there were no more, but am concerned about the effects of the bait on her. I don't think she swallowed any, as I found what I thought to be all the pieces of the bait. It happened last night, and I've been keeping an eye on her since then. No problems as of yet. Anyone have any experience with something like this? Do I have anything to worry about??

QCBirddogs · Post by **QCBirddogs** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:57 am

MArk,

I take it the poison was not in a box or any type of container right, just loose on the floor? Question is, do you know the active ingredient?

Without this information, it would be safer just to have the dog seen by a Vet. Running enzyme tests will tell you if anything serious is going on in there.

This could be one reason to have a "CBC" (complete blood count) & a blood chemistry profile on hand for your dogs. For it to be accurate, it would have to be done annually though.

P & G

Grey Ghost · Post by **Grey Ghost** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:19 am

QCBirddogs wrote:it would be safer just to have the dog seen by a Vet. Running enzyme tests will tell you if anything serious is going on in there.

I couldn't agree more. I had a similar situation with rat poison when my weim was about six months. My vet (and the ASPCA's poison control line) told me that it could take 3-4 days before the effect of that poison would show. They had me induce vomiting and although it appeared (from the vomit) that she didn't swallow any, I still had them do the blood work. Better safe than sorry.

MNGSP · Post by **MNGSP** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:25 am

Not to frighten you or anything, but I got a little story for ya.

My girlfriends lab got into an ant trap left out by her mom. The dog ate some of the poison. We called the vet right away and told them what had happened. They told us the dog needed to vomit IMMEDIATELY.!!

To do this they suggested using a turkey baster to squirt hydrogen peroxide down her throat. They didn't have any hydrogen peroxide so we took her in and they gave her a shot to make her vomit. All has been well since then.

I would think in your case the dog would have shown symptoms by now; but I would DEFINITELY take her in as a precaution. It's not worth the risk if something does happen.

Try and find out what the main ingredient is, and call the vet.

Hope all is well, good luck.

Jon

markm · Post by **markm** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:20 pm

QC,

It was a bait station like this:

http://www.acehardware.com/product/inde ... Id=1274497

Like I said, I'm pretty sure she only chewed it. Don't think she swallowed any of the pieces.

MNGSP · Post by **MNGSP** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:44 pm

I think you got lucky on this one, but watch the dog to be safe!!!
Here's what I found on the active ingredient:

While hydramethylnon is very effective against target insects, it has low toxicity to non-target animals.
The MAXFORCE® active ingredient, hydramethylnon, has a high LD50 value of 1300 mg/kg.
(The higher the LD50 value, the lower the toxicity.)
Ready-to-use bait formulations of hydramethylnon are practically non-toxic by ingestion.
(The oral LD50 value of MAXFORCE® baits is greater than 5000 mg/kg.)
For example, a 35 pound dog would have to eat the bait in 14 syringes of MAXFORCE® gel, or approximately 600 small roach or ant bait stations, to receive a lethal dose.
Hydramethylnon also has a very low vapor pressure resulting in low volatility, which significantly reduces the
risk of airborne residues.

It's from this website:
http://www.doyourownpestcontrol.com/hydra1.htm

Best of Luck!

Jon

markm · Post by **markm** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 7:22 am

Looks like all is well. Called the vet the next day and he said the same thing. She would have had to ingest a lot more of the stuff to have any serious effect on her.

Thanks for the info.

MNGSP · Post by **MNGSP** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 7:24 am

No problem...
I'm just glad the dog is OK.

Jon

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:04 pm

To follow up on Grey Ghost's post, and for anyone reading who maybe does not know, rat poison is a whole other deal entirely, and requires immediate reaction to get it out of the stomach, if possible. Main ingredient is warfarin or relatives, which is a blood thinner used often medically, but in high doses it prevents clotting and causes the victim to bleed out, usually internally.

Rat poison is also placed around by exterminators, usually in small paper bags that look a little like a Luna or Cliff candy bar from the outside.

Although it takes awhile to act, immediate reaction is required because dosage will generally seal the fate of the animal. (As you can probably tell, had the exterminator issue with warfarin a few years ago and learned all this. Came out alright, thankfully.)

Post by **Ayres** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 6:54 pm

I saw the subject title and had to weigh in: (although it's already solved now,

)

This same thing happened to a member of the VCOI ... last year I think. The story and outcome was posted on their yahoo group messages. Anyway, yeah, the dog would have to eat a TON of those little bait stations in order to be in danger.

Just don't go thinkin' your the only one though.