MikeB wrote:Hi Bill,
The Pro Plan may work better well for your guy but 5 cups seems like a lot of food causing loose stools or at least large ones. I would certanly be using PROZYME digestive enzymes to help him keep the weight on and eat less food over time. Prozyme is an amazing product for many dogs. http://www.prozymeproducts.com/
Taste Of The Wild is NO comparison to anything Purina or Pro Plan makes as far as quality of ingredients. TOTW is excellent food and so is CANIDAE both regular and grain free formulas. I think for some dogs grains help a lot but it depends on what grains. I am not a fan of wheat or corn in food but it does depend on the dog and if there is any allergy to those grains. I would prefer corn as it may help the dog with energy when needed. There are a lot of good food but it doesn't matter what you feed if your dog is not digesting it's food well. If he has always been needing to keep weight on then Prozyme is the answer. Trust me when I tell you I make nothing from Prozyme for telling you or anyone on the the board this info. It just come from 25 years of using the product because it WORKS. If your not happy with the product send it back for a full refund.
Best of luck with your food choices.
Mike Bolton The Dog Trainer
Ryman Gun Dog wrote:Gentlemen,
I feed Exceed mixed with Diamond Large breed plus 60 most all the time, all my dogs stay in great physical shape, not skinny, not over weight. According to our Vet the reason for our dogs longevity lives, is the way we feed house and exercise our dogs. Most of our dogs live between 15 - 18 years and hunt even in their old ages. We have 6 gun dogs of different breeds, and all due very well on this mixture. They also get some Deer meat during hunting season. Recently I picked up some Pork based
food mixing it in also, in the off season, to try to keep the food cost down. It seems to be working but have only used it for one off season, time will tell.
tro182 wrote:lb for lb TOTW is a better dog food. Look at the label. Feed what works for you and you can get from a local supply.
BillGraves wrote:I got a bag of PPP and will see how that works. I also want to try TOTW on the pooch when he is finishing up this bag of PPP. I will give an update through the process.
shags wrote: I suspect that the formula of the PPP had been changed up somehow in the last year or so because prior it seemed fine.
ezzy333 wrote:Glad it worked as it is a good feed. But it bothers me when you talk fillers. I have never seen a filler in a bag of dog food, for a matter of fact we didn't have fillers in the mill and I have no idea where you could buy them or how you would get them shipped.
Tell me what you are calling fillers and maybe I can explain just what and why it is in the feed. As expensive as feed is I don't think anyone would buy or pay to have a filler shipped even if there is such a thing.
wes_gsp wrote:I feed a large amount of dogs. I have feed an endless list of brands and varieties and found that dogs in my kennel consistently do the best overall on purina pro plan. As a group they all have nice stools, coats, and energy level. There is always going to be some dogs that require more food then others. Some dogs have a lot of nervous energy and burn a lot of energy from compulsive behavior. I do not like the price tag on pro plan but feel it is the best food to give my dogs. ProPlan also has a great rebate program for breeders and dog enthusiasts. here is a website to save some $ on ProPlan $5/bag Pro Plan Coupons
BillGraves wrote:Looking at both of these as possible feeds because at 5 cups/day, Purina One isn't covering my dog's ribs. He is a 6 yr old GSP and is outside all day. He comes in at night to sleep. He is very active and gets run at a farm about 3x/week for at least an hour. Training to hunt and will get him out once or twice before the season is over. The back yard is about 3/4 acre fenced and he has the run of the place from 5:30 when I leave for work until 8:30ish when he comes inside for the night.
I looked at TOTW and Pro Plan Performance as they both have higher protein and fat than what I currently feed. I know TOTW is grain free but that doesn't really matter to me. Thanks in advance.
ezzy333 wrote:We have tried different levels of fat and different kind also and have seen little difference in the coats except for Linseed oil and it did tend to help when fed for several weeks. I think part of the problem is that the higher fat feeds are higher calories and the dog needs less feed with them so that the dog is not getting more fat on a daily basis.
shags wrote:ezzy333 wrote:We have tried different levels of fat and different kind also and have seen little difference in the coats except for Linseed oil and it did tend to help when fed for several weeks. I think part of the problem is that the higher fat feeds are higher calories and the dog needs less feed with them so that the dog is not getting more fat on a daily basis.
I believe the coats improve with TOTW because of the quality of the protein, emphasis on quality. Increasing fat/oil improves haircoat if fat deficiency was present; adding more if it isn't necessary either pudges 'em up too much or results in loose sloppy stools.
It's like when ladies want to grow nicer nails, they add knox gelatin to their diets, they don't add more oil or fat.
I have no science to back this up, but have done a ton of observing and experimenting over the years, fwiw
MikeB wrote:Russnhunter, How much does your Brittney weigh? When you fed the "Natural" food what brand was it? How much were you feeding. Over feeding most foods will cause diarrhea in most dogs.
Unfortunately, electrolyte solutions typically used to hydrate humans do not work with dogs. Dogs do not sweat in useful amounts except from their footpads, instead they pant to cool themselves. Therefore, they do not lose electrolytes at the same rates as human athletes. Human electrolyte solutions can actually make dehydration worse in dogs because it causes an imbalance between the concentration of electrolytes inside and outside of the cells. This situation causes the water to be pulled out of the cells, which further exacerbates the dehydration condition. Most human electrolyte solutions are high in simple sugars, which can also exacerbate dehydration by pulling even more water into the gut. Feeding a quality diet should provide enough electrolytes so that the dog does not need to be supplemented, either pre- or post exercise. Therefore, dogs should be offered clean water in the field as often as possible.
rmoorman wrote:I have done a TON of research on food and have conducted a couple of feeding trials with my dogs. TOTW is an excellent dog food.. I would never touch anything from Purina, Iams or Eukanuba. Curently we feed our dogs FROMM ( family business based in WI) and our dogs do great on it- my Wirehaire/Lab mix is 80-82 lbs and only needs 4 cups a day to maintain weight. BUT keep in mind we do not hunt our dogs very hard. My husband is more of a causual hunter. Two more good foods to try are Nature's Variety and NAVTIVE. NATIVE is cool because it has 4 different levels, from moderate activity to high perfomance, and the cost is very reasonable. Nature's Variety is great if you have a dog with allergies to any grains or specific meats.
ezzy333 wrote:McBosco will tell you to use a supplement and I don't think there is much wrong with using them. My biggest concern is with some types of supplements is when you provide the things the dog should be producing on its own, you just make the problem worse as the body will shut down completely since it no longer needs to produce the enzyme. But by and large, our dog foods of today have everything the dog needs and in my experience I have never had a problem that needed anything added to it. You read the ads about feeding a spoonful of some protein supplement and if you stop to think even if it was pure protein a spoonful would make very little difference in the total amount the dog would be getting. Stay the course and you will see results. Dogs are like people and some stay thinner and they are usually the healthiest ones. We just like to see ourselves and our animals a lot heavier than we really need to be to be healthy but it is so easy to overfeed with our really good dog foods of today.
ezzy333 wrote:Don't quite see what your post has to do with the quote of mine you copied. Don't believe I even mentioned a dog food in it. I did refer to Bill Graves saying he was still feeding PPP and doing well and I offer encouragement based on a whole lot of personal experience and the hundreds of dogs that friends are feeding and their dogs are performing as planned. Tell me how your dog performs and how much time and money you spend on feed and all of the additives and other products you buy and then explain how any of us that have a kennel full of dogs should avoid the kibbles you don't like and buy the products you are for 5 to 25 dogs. That's why I tell you and anyone else to feed what you want but don't always try to make out it is better than what most of us have found will work and work well.
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