Ivermectin with PEG

luke0927 · Post by **luke0927** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:07 pm

I had a thread I posted earlier but looks like it was deleted before I even got to take a look. Is anyone pre dosing their Ivermectin in PEG for an easier dose, just looking to see what ratio you are using, I need to sit down and do the math but wanted to check it hear once I do.

Post by **kninebirddog** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:09 pm

for the 1% Solution swine or cattle I use 1/10th CC per 10 lbs body weight

birddog1968 · Post by **birddog1968** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:23 pm

http://www.dogaware.com/health/ivomec.html

Post by **kninebirddog** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:42 pm

birddog1968 wrote:http://www.dogaware.com/health/ivomec.html

some of that info is old they now treat dogs that are heartworm positive with ivermectin before treating the adults you can look that up on the heartworm association website

birddog1968 · Post by **birddog1968** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:28 pm

Yes, I realize that but the dosing information is pertinent, thats why I posted it.

Ahumphers91a · Post by **Ahumphers91a** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:39 pm

I have heard Ivomec is good as well.

Cajun Casey · Post by **Cajun Casey** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:40 pm

Ahumphers91a wrote:I have heard Ivomec is good as well.

Ivomec is a brand name for ivermectin.

Ahumphers91a · Post by **Ahumphers91a** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:42 pm

Ivomec 1% solution - 1/10 cc per 10 lbs. of dog weight

mcbosco · Post by **mcbosco** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:00 am

birddog1968 wrote:Yes, I realize that but the dosing information is pertinent, thats why I posted it.

Yes the 1% liquid should be diluted.

birddog1968 · Post by **birddog1968** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:06 am

mcbosco wrote:
birddog1968 wrote:Yes, I realize that but the dosing information is pertinent, thats why I posted it.
Yes the 1% liquid should be diluted.

I personally don't dilute mine.....just give them 1/10 cc per 20lbs.

shags · Post by **shags** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:28 am

I don't dilute mine either. It tastes bad and I have mercy on my dogs and put the dose in butter bread for them

. 1/2 cc or less is easy to hide.

luke0927 · Post by **luke0927** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:29 am

so you just use a small MCG syrince and dose that way, I was getting mine from a retired vet who would mix it for me in PEG and it was a lot easier I would just pull 2 CC (ratio it was converted good for a dog up to 100lbs ) I'm finding less and less time go see him so I was just debating mixing it myself but guess its just as easy to give it to them straight in 1/10cc dosing

mcbosco · Post by **mcbosco** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:47 am

I use the apple favored Durvet paste for $4 a tube. A half click is fine for a dog like mine.

luke0927 · Post by **luke0927** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:53 am

i didnt think about the paste, my deddy has horses and uses the paste I remember him saying thats how he gives it to his dogs too, doesn't take much I think one tube does 1,200 lbs or so....

mcbosco · Post by **mcbosco** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:34 am

luke0927 wrote:i didnt think about the paste, my deddy has horses and uses the paste I remember him saying thats how he gives it to his dogs too, doesn't take much I think one tube does 1,200 lbs or so....

Yeah and the Durvet syringe is metered - each click - for 50lbs (horse dose), A half click has about 8,000 micrograms, so for a 90lb dog it is a safe dose. Now, Zymectrin meters the dose - each click - for 250lbs (horse dose), so I dont use that one. Zymectrin is made by the same company that makes Heartquard so its no wonder why they do that.

For $4 it is hard to beat and I went through the dose with my vet.

birddog1968 · Post by **birddog1968** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:47 am

I always worry about the even distribution of the ivermectin in the pastes and glycol mix. Unfounded for sure, just always wondered.

mcbosco · Post by **mcbosco** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:53 am

birddog1968 wrote:I always worry about the even distribution of the ivermectin in the pastes and glycol mix. Unfounded for sure, just always wondered.

I wondered myself but I did speak to a large animal vet as well as the people at the farm and they use the smaller increments on the foals and smaller animals and have never noticed anything.

I called Durvet myself and they assured me that the Ivermectin was suspended in the gel and consisent throughout. The gel is quite thick so it would be hard for anything to settle. You can literally slice a piece off with a knife it is not liquidy by any means.

Good concern though but the product would be totally useless if the ivermectin wasn't uniform.

luke0927 · Post by **luke0927** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:00 am

with the PEG it is all soluble so it is mixed evenly.

Coveyrise64 · Post by **Coveyrise64** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:27 am

luke0927 wrote:with the PEG it is all soluble so it is mixed evenly.

So what is PEG........?

Propylene Glycol is commonly used to dilute Ivermectin.

Ethylene Glycol is toxic to animals.

Coveyrise64

shags · Post by **shags** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:37 am

The distributed-equally-throughout-the-tube thing. The paste, tablets, powder or whatever you're giving is mixed in big vats - the drug or chemical and its carrier. Then it's dispensed into the tubes, vials, or plopped into the pills or tablets or whatever. So it doesn't matter which half of a tablet or pill you give, or which part of a tube of paste, or the beginning, middle, or end of a bottle (assuming what's in the bottle is all miscible and doesn't require shaking). It's like grabbing a piece of cake - all the egg or vanilla, or flour isn't in a couple of pieces (I hope!

).

The thing to think about is splitting capsules or some coated pills/tablets. Often the reason for the capsule or coating is to protect the drug from stomach juices so it can be released slowly, or released further on down the line.

Post by **ezzy333** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:50 am

mcbosco wrote:
birddog1968 wrote:Yes, I realize that but the dosing information is pertinent, thats why I posted it.
Yes the 1% liquid should be diluted.

I know many many people who use it and none dilute it. Just no need to unless you need something to do.

Ezzy

Cajun Casey · Post by **Cajun Casey** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:56 am

Iverhart Max, less than $10 a month and it does tapeworms. One dog, and livestock ivermectin will expire before you use it.

Post by **ezzy333** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:01 am

Cajun Casey wrote:Iverhart Max, less than $10 a month and it does tapeworms. One dog, and livestock ivermectin will expire before you use it.

Yep it will unless you use it on your birds or share with someone else. But the important thing is it is still only a fraction of the cost of prepared preventatives.

Ezzy

Cajun Casey · Post by **Cajun Casey** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:09 am

ezzy333 wrote:
Cajun Casey wrote:Iverhart Max, less than $10 a month and it does tapeworms. One dog, and livestock ivermectin will expire before you use it.
Yep it will unless you use it on your birds or share with someone else. But the important thing is it is still only a fraction of the cost of prepared preventatives.

Ezzy

And, you will have to have the animal tested and on a vet prescribed product to meet health certificate requirements. There goes your big savings, if you get in that situation.

Vonzeppelinkennels · Post by **Vonzeppelinkennels** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:14 am

CC Says Who? The only requirements in my county are Rabies.Nothing like that on a health Cert.to ship either.

Post by **ezzy333** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:19 am

Cajun Casey wrote:
ezzy333 wrote:
Cajun Casey wrote:Iverhart Max, less than $10 a month and it does tapeworms. One dog, and livestock ivermectin will expire before you use it.
Yep it will unless you use it on your birds or share with someone else. But the important thing is it is still only a fraction of the cost of prepared preventatives.

Ezzy
And, you will have to have the animal tested and on a vet prescribed product to meet health certificate requirements. There goes your big savings, if you get in that situation.

Where do you get this stuff? There is no requirements concerning heartworm that I have ever heard of and sure not on a health certificate. Just because someone spends 100 a year instead of 10 doesn't guarantee anything.

Ezzy

Cajun Casey · Post by **Cajun Casey** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:21 am

Ezzy, try shipping a dog to England or Hawaii, then get back to me, okie dokie?

Ted, Delta Society, TDI, many corporate vet clinic boarding facilities and even some trainong clubs require proof of vet prescribed HW preventative.

Vonzeppelinkennels · Post by **Vonzeppelinkennels** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:26 am

Well I've never seen or heard of it & doubt I will be dealing with it.

shags · Post by **shags** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:32 am

How does one prove that a dog is receiving vet rx'ed meds

They can be prescribed and even purchased but not administered. Just askin'.

mcbosco · Post by **mcbosco** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:33 am

Cajun Casey wrote:Ezzy, try shipping a dog to England or Hawaii, then get back to me, okie dokie?

Ted, Delta Society, TDI, many corporate vet clinic boarding facilities and even some trainong clubs require proof of vet prescribed HW preventative.

That may be the case but I would bet they just require a negative test done by a Vet rather than mandate a particular preventative.

Cajun Casey · Post by **Cajun Casey** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:49 am

mcbosco wrote:
Cajun Casey wrote:Ezzy, try shipping a dog to England or Hawaii, then get back to me, okie dokie?

Ted, Delta Society, TDI, many corporate vet clinic boarding facilities and even some trainong clubs require proof of vet prescribed HW preventative.
That may be the case but I would bet they just require a negative test done by a Vet rather than mandate a particular preventative.

You're on! How much?

mcbosco · Post by **mcbosco** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:52 am

"A negative Heartworm test must have been done within the past year if the dog is not on a continuous heartworm preventative medication. A negative Heartworm test must have been done within the past two years if the dog is on a continuous heartworm preventative medication."

From TDI.

Cajun Casey · Post by **Cajun Casey** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:03 pm

mcbosco wrote:"A negative Heartworm test must have been done within the past year if the dog is not on a continuous heartworm preventative medication. A negative Heartworm test must have been done within the past two years if the dog is on a continuous heartworm preventative medication."

From TDI.

That's from the National. Out of date. Locals are following the new AHA guidelines.

mcbosco · Post by **mcbosco** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:07 pm

Cajun Casey wrote:
mcbosco wrote:"A negative Heartworm test must have been done within the past year if the dog is not on a continuous heartworm preventative medication. A negative Heartworm test must have been done within the past two years if the dog is on a continuous heartworm preventative medication."

From TDI.
That's from the National. Out of date. Locals are following the new AHA guidelines.

But what is required?

Post by **ezzy333** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:08 pm

mcbosco wrote:"A negative Heartworm test must have been done within the past year if the dog is not on a continuous heartworm preventative medication. A negative Heartworm test must have been done within the past two years if the dog is on a continuous heartworm preventative medication."

From TDI.

Now this makes some sense. Having a prescribed heartworm prevetative means absolutely nothing as there is no way they can tell if you used it or what dog you used it on. Governments do some stupid things with regs but I can't believe they would require a piece of paper rather than prove the dog is heartworm free.

Guess Casey, what you were saying is no one should use a cheaper product because some place in the world might require you to have a prescription. Right or wrong, it is just another example of useless info that doesn't have a thing to do with the topic of this thread.

Ezzy

Cajun Casey · Post by **Cajun Casey** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:39 pm

ezzy333 wrote:
mcbosco wrote:"A negative Heartworm test must have been done within the past year if the dog is not on a continuous heartworm preventative medication. A negative Heartworm test must have been done within the past two years if the dog is on a continuous heartworm preventative medication."

From TDI.
Now this makes some sense. Having a prescribed heartworm prevetative means absolutely nothing as there is no way they can tell if you used it or what dog you used it on. Governments do some stupid things with regs but I can't believe they would require a piece of paper rather than prove the dog is heartworm free.

Guess Casey, what you were saying is no one should use a cheaper product because some place in the world might require you to have a prescription. Right or wrong, it is just another example of useless info that doesn't have a thing to do with the topic of this thread.

Ezzy

Actually, we see clients every week who have been self-medicating and don't understand why they have to get their dog tested when they want DVM certification. The local Camp BowWow franchise requires that a vet certify a monthly parasiticide is in use. The dog world is a lot bigger than that little screen, you know. I used to think the requirements on dogs were a bit much, but then, the horse entered the picture. Wowzer.

Ron R · Post by **Ron R** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:40 pm

mcbosco wrote:Yes the 1% liquid should be diluted.

I have never dilutued mine and sometimes I give a whole cc to a 55lb or 60lb dog. It has never seemed to hurt them.

mcbosco · Post by **mcbosco** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:51 pm

Ron R wrote:
mcbosco wrote:Yes the 1% liquid should be diluted.
I have never dilutued mine and sometimes I give a whole cc to a 55lb or 60lb dog. It has never seemed to hurt them.

A whole CC would be 10,000 mcg's or about 75 times Heartguards dose.

Ron R · Post by **Ron R** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:05 pm

mcbosco wrote:
Ron R wrote:
mcbosco wrote:Yes the 1% liquid should be diluted.
I have never dilutued mine and sometimes I give a whole cc to a 55lb or 60lb dog. It has never seemed to hurt them.

A whole CC would be 10,000 mcg's or about 75 times Heartguards dose.

It's not as bad as it sounds, most times I give a little over half cc.

mcbosco · Post by **mcbosco** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:17 pm

[A whole CC would be 10,000 mcg's or about 75 times Heartguards dose.[/quote]
It's not as bad as it sounds, most times I give a little over half cc.[/quote]

I know Ivermectin has a very wide margin of safety, just pointing it out.

snips · Post by **snips** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:51 pm

I have given undiluted 1/10th cc per 20 lbs for 30 years..This is what my vet told me and works great....

Post by **ezzy333** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 3:16 pm

snips wrote:I have given undiluted 1/10th cc per 20 lbs for 30 years..This is what my vet told me and works great....

What about the dogs you sent to S.Africa? Didn't you have 1 or 2 that went over there.

Ezzy

Georgia Boy · Post by **Georgia Boy** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 3:30 pm

We have sent dogs to Canada, Mexico,Serbia,Croatia,Bulgaria,Holland and Germany, all with a simple health certificate.

snips · Post by **snips** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:51 pm

Africa is a different deal..Forgot now what we did, Trudi can say. But a heartworm test has to be done within a certain time frame of shipping....And 6 mo of heartworm meds sent with them I think...As Africa does not have HW's...

Ahumphers91a · Post by **Ahumphers91a** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:44 pm

Well I for one only need Ivomec or any other brand like it for my own Dog, where I have not to worry about shipping. I don't like being taken by vet's making you pay for prescriptions for things like heart worm. Just my thought.

displaced_texan · Post by **displaced_texan** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:26 pm

Ahumphers91a wrote:Well I for one only need Ivomec or any other brand like it for my own Dog, where I have not to worry about shipping. I don't like being taken by vet's making you pay for prescriptions for things like heart worm. Just my thought.

"Getting taken by vets" sure seems a little strong to me... Many people don't like using things outside their indicated, designed uses. For others it is a way of life. Neither way is the only way.

Ahumphers91a · Post by **Ahumphers91a** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:30 pm

Thats the way I see it. They charge an arm and a leg it seems to me. I have come across a couple vets in my area that are actually really good, and don't charge "overkill"

displaced_texan · Post by **displaced_texan** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:34 pm

Ahumphers91a wrote:Thats the way I see it. They charge an arm and a leg it seems to me. I have come across a couple vets in my area that are actually really good, and don't charge "overkill"

Many do, took us a while to find one we liked and were comfortable with. I still do shots on Pointers and Ivermec for them, the wife's dogs go to the vet for it.

Ron R · Post by **Ron R** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 6:31 am

displaced_texan wrote:"Getting taken by vets" sure seems a little strong to me...

Not me...You must be lucky and have some good vets in your area. I took my dog to the vet once for an ear infection and when I was leaving and checking out at the front desk they hit me with a $260.00 bill.....highway robbery. The other time I had my wife take another dog to the vet and they said the dog had a gum infection and cleaned his teeth......$360.00. The worst part was with this particular dog turned out to not be worth 2cents and before I was going to put him down some crazy lady from work took him for free. Another time, I used my buddy's vet for another infection $290.00. Thanks for the hook up pal. Those were my only vet visits in the last 6 years. I take it back, I didn't include health checks for shipping...but still.

displaced_texan · Post by **displaced_texan** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:48 pm

Ron R wrote:
displaced_texan wrote:"Getting taken by vets" sure seems a little strong to me...
Not me...You must be lucky and have some good vets in your area. I took my dog to the vet once for an ear infection and when I was leaving and checking out at the front desk they hit me with a $260.00 bill.....highway robbery. The other time I had my wife take another dog to the vet and they said the dog had a gum infection and cleaned his teeth......$360.00. The worst part was with this particular dog turned out to not be worth 2cents and before I was going to put him down some crazy lady from work took him for free. Another time, I used my buddy's vet for another infection $290.00. Thanks for the hook up pal. Those were my only vet visits in the last 6 years. I take it back, I didn't include health checks for shipping...but still.

We do have some good ones.

I've got nothing against anyone making a good living. But there is a point where things are ridiculous.