1st puppy shot

[jahwarrior1423]

I picked up my puppy on Jan 1st and brought him home. Had some eating issues so I got him on DWorm pills. And you guys suggested I re-start puppy shots because the breeder didnt d-worm the pups himself. The feed store near my house has 5 n 1 or 7 n 1...which one do I do for my German Shorthair?...And I also have a pomeranian-chihuahua mix, which one for him?...thank you guys.

[RoostersMom]

Did you take him to the vet for a check-up as recommended by several folks on here? That would be my first step.

You need to be VERY careful buying your own shots - if they are not kept refrigerated anytime in their history, they are worthless to you. Some feed stores are not very good about this. You can however, usually buy the shots from your vet if there is any concern about the local co-op or feed store not refrigerating properly during travel or when it gets to the store. I would visit with the vet to see whether he prefers the 5 in 1 or the 7 in 1. He can educate you as to the major concerns in your area.

[Cajun Casey]

I use 5-in-1 if I don't bulk order DA2Ps.

[gotpointers]

The 5 way does not have leptospirosis, it is not reccomended for a young pup to get a lepto immunization.also The other dog you refer to, the breed doesent matter its the age.

[markj]

Dworm isnt the best wormer out there. I like the safeguard stuff. I also order my stuff from Omaha vaccine and pick it up the next day so it dont get warm. I use the 5 way used to do lepto with no problems so a 7 way is also OK.

http://www.bullwrinkle.com/ShoppingPages/duramune.htm

scroll down to the puppy shot. It is what I use.

[3Britts]

I give my dogs the 7 in 1 as we come in contact to a large variety of dogs through trials and shows. Find out what schedule the pup started on and go from their.
I give their shots in the following order: 1st at 6 weeks, 2nd at 10 weeks, third at 4 months, and then at 6 months, with yearly follow up boosters and the rabies are given at the vets as Utah law dictates.

[gotpointers]

yeah just do it at any intervals you want, what do the manufacturers know anyway!!

[3Britts]

You are going to want to go with the type of shot that will do your dog the most good. If your pup will come in contact with a possible threat, you will want to vaccinate against it, no matter what the manufacturer says. Just ask someone who didn't.

[Buckeye_V]

After seeing the damage firsthand that a vaccination did to my dog that wa snot needed, I would highly recomend a trip to the vet for this.

No more all in one vaccines for this guy and his dogs. Period.

[3Britts]

Sorry to hear you've had a problem. You should always check with your vet before starting any medical treatment.
I have given hundreds of shots without a hitch, and will continue to do so.

[Buckeye_V]

Your choice of course. But to give advice that all can do that is not totally true.

It would be smart to check the titer levels before getting any vaccination when you have a dog that has had a response.

[3Britts]

Buckeye, You may want to go and check what I have said. My dogs come in contact with animals from all over the nation, so I give the 7 in 1. If your dogs are not going to do the same, you need to decide. My dogs have never shown a reaction which, from those that I have talked to is something that happens few and far between, so I vaccinate and will continue to do so. Nothing is ever foolproof, but better safe than sorry. I spend too much time and money on my dogs to take the risk of an illness that is preventable.

[Buckeye_V]

Mine do too. I hunt and trial pretty much everywhere bu the Southwest and West Coast. I made the right choice for mine. Just because there is a vaccination does not mean that the dog needs it. Even if they are going to come into contact with it. Do you know the raw science in how most vaccinations work? I am married to a PhD who does this for a living and we feel the best choice for our situation is to not because the titer levels dictate when the vaccination is needed and not because the vaccination is available.

Does that make sense?

[prairiefirepointers]

I have always given 5 way shots to young puppies and then give the 7 way shot when they are older than 10 weeks. I am with those who cautioned you about buying vaccines from anywhere but a vet or veterinary supply. I wouldn't take the chance myself.

[3Britts]

jahwarrior1423, best advice is to check with your vet about the type of shots you will give your pup. I did, plus talking to several others because of those who think they know what they are talking about when it comes to the raw science, and know that I have done the right thing for my dogs. You should do the same.

[Buckeye_V]

So I guess studying under some of the best biochemists in the vaccine industry for over 9 years and getting your PhD in the process gives you no knowledge of what vaccines do. Nope not at all.

Go see the vet.

[3Britts]

[quote="Buckeye_V"]So I guess studying under some of the best biochemists in the vaccine industry for over 9 years and getting your PhD in the process gives you no knowledge of what vaccines do. Nope not at all.

Go see the vet.[/quote

If it was you that studied and not your wife, I might buy what you are selling. As it is not your degree, you shouldn't live off of its reputation. I am sure that she would not wish to speak as an expert in a field not her own. At least my fellow professors and I do not find it ethical to speak as experts in a field outside of our own.
In this thread, we have tried to give friendly advise. If you choose not to accept it, that is your choice. Just don't speak as an expert when it appears that you are not.

[Buckeye_V]

She works in the vaciination field and has extensive expertise in this area.

I would take her advice over yours any day of the week. Sorry dude. I am not riding her coattails. I am listening to her experience and knowledge on the very specific field she worked in every day. No different than going to the doctor.

It is important to get good advice from a trained doctor other than people sitting behind their keyboards. Who knows what their credentials are :roll: :roll: :roll:

[3Britts]

Well, I hope that it works out well for you. The vets that I have spoken to, along with the biochemists that work at my university, agree with the method that I use and, so far, I have never had a problem with the regiment. I also us a 7 in 1 that is designed for puppies. I'll continue to trust it, as it works and has for many dogs.

[gotpointers]

Well, I hope that it works out well for you. The vets that I have spoken to, along with the biochemists that work at my university, agree with the method that I use and, so far, I have never had a problem with the regiment. I also us a 7 in 1 that is designed for puppies. I'll continue to trust it, as it works and has for many dogs.

And they agree to give lepto to a 6 wk old pup? And space immunizations more than 30 days apart?

[Buckeye_V]

OK dude.

Did you ask them about titer levels, what is harmful and what is not?

If the dog's titer levels are at a certain level the shot is not needed. If they aren't then the shot is needed. Pretty simple science, really.

Even a britt guy could understand that

[3Britts]

Let's see, you have had problems giving shots, and I have not. I wonder who is doing it right.

[Buckeye_V]

No, I did not have problems giving shots.

Dog got a 7-in 1 at the vet. Had a reaction. Bad reaction.

We no longer blindly give that shot. We get their titers tested first (based on the suggestion of my wife) and then give the individuals that are needed.

I think somewhere along the way you latched onto something that made no sense.

My whole point was to get your dogs titers tested first and then if you want to administer your silver bullet, go ahead.

I am always perfect. Always

[3Britts]

I said that you should always check with your vet from the start of this thread. It was you that said you had a bad experience with a vaccine.
I have never, knock on wood, seen a bad reaction from using a 7 in 1.
Others on this thread have said that you should always get the shot from a vet as things can go bad if they are stored wrong. Seems like
with your case that is bad advise.
I always consult my vet, whose family has been in the business for over 40 years.
They are good with what I am doing. I'll trust them as they are experts in animal science.
You might also want to check the latest article about vaccines in Purina's news letter.

[3Britts]

For those of you wondering what titers testing is and if you should do it:
http://www.caberfeidh.com/CanineTiters.htm
This is just one of many articles on the subject.

[Buckeye_V]

We'll stick with our good advice and plan, thanks.

[dog dr]

Hey Buckeye, just wondering what kind or reaction your pup had, if you dont mind sharing.

[Buckeye_V]

Sure. He had the 7 in 1 shot administerd under the care of the vet. Within minutes he was staggering around the room, losing control of his bowels and breaking out in welts and rashes. The doc had to administer an epi shot, I believe. We took him home and within an hour was covered in dime to quarter size welts and swelled up like a sharpei. He was taken back to the vet who gave him some anahistamine and steroids and watched him at his home all night to be sure. By the way for all you vet haters, this stand up guy only charged us $75 for this whole deal.

This was a pretty traumatic experience for he and my wife and I. She immediately consulted with the vet and they agreed that this dog would no longer be receiving an all in one shot. We in fact also agreed that no other dog in our care would follow this same protocol. Titer levels would be tested and then eacj vaccine administered accordingly - with the acception of rabies, but you have to give that one separately anyways under the care of a vet, as you all know.

So, long story short - no more blindly giving all in one shots.

[brule]

I'd like to know what you guys would consider a quality brand of vaccination. I only have 2 dogs so it doesn't benefit me buying bulk immunizations, so I'm looking for single doses. The only one I can find around me in the stores is Solo-Jec, which is at Fleet and Farm. Also is there somewhere, where I can get single dose lymes vaccination? I know some areas it's not a huge deal with lymes, but being in northern Wisconsin with alot of ticks I'd like to vaccinate for it.

[gotpointers]

I would say fort dodge, single doses from the farm store you are risking it a little. Just takes one person to.pull it out of the cooler and decide they didn't want it and leave it on a shelf. Then have an employee re stock it.

[Ralph Ford]

Brule, I buy shots at the TSC near me. I either dig to the bottom of the box, or if I'm lucky, open the new box that sits behind the opened box.