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Glucosamine

Post by madmurph » Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:44 pm

Does anybody give their older dog a glucosamine supplement? If so, what particular product are you using? I am considering a glucosamine supplement for one of my vizslas who will be 13 this year. She is starting to have isssues at times, although not serious, with stairs and jumping onto her chair. I have never heard any negatives regarding glucosamine; all has been either positive or having had no effect. What are your thoughts on the supplement? And has anybody's dog had any side effects or other negatives from the product?
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Re: Glucosamine

Post by sully511 » Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:03 pm

I have never had any negative side effects from any of the glucosamine supplements I have used. I do think it helps, but it takes some time to get into their system and most people don't notice much of a difference until they stop giving it (in my opinion anyway). I have used, with good results, the Joint Health from Springtime Inc. in the past and currently I am using Phyto Flex from Natures Farmacy. Both seem to have about the same result, but the Phyto Flex has Hyaluronic Acid which is supposed to be very good for them (although I'm not sure exactly what it does for them, lol). I actually give it to all my dogs, young and old, old ones for arthritis issues and young ones because they play agility and I want to keep their joints as healthy as possible with all that high impact activity.

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Post by mcbosco » Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:13 am

When you buy supplements, especially one that has been commercialized the way G & C has, the manufacturer's reputation is critical. Many supplements are very low quality and don't contain the things on the label.

Apparantly, for G&S to work the two nutrients have to be given as part of a life-long program, although some people swear by them when givin over a shorter period of time.

The few studies that have been done do not show much efficacy when given in the short-term.

However, additional Omega 3's are helpful for joint pain and mobility.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/31/science/31qna.html

There have been quite a few studies on Omegas 3's in animals.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 111600.htm

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Post by birddog1968 » Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:43 pm

I give liquid of a horse type, its got more G&C as well as MSM per dose so i can give less and save some money over what the dog formulations offer. It definitely seems to help the dogs especially the older two.
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Re: Glucosamine

Post by MikeB » Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:41 pm

Here is my recommendation. Animal Natrurals make Joint Strong.

Check it out at... http://www.k9power.com/k9-joint-strong.html

Excellent product.

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Post by Sharon » Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:03 pm

I use "Sasha's Blend" ( chondroitin and glucosamine ) .

http://www.canadavet.com/Sashas-Blend-P ... 7C126.aspx
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Re: Glucosamine

Post by bossman » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:17 pm

While my dog food contains some, I suppliment with Missing Link Plus

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Post by birddog1968 » Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:28 pm

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Post by ezzy333 » Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:10 pm

Our regular vet says it is ok give the supplements to our dogs but doubts if it really helps. Then rush was hit by a car on the highway and we had to completely rebuild the hip. U asked the surgeon about feeding a supplement and got the same response. So Rush and I both had hip problems so we both tried it for a couple of years but I could tell no difference so I quit buying it. Rush is now 8 years old and shows no sigh of a problem and I ended up having both of mine replaced.

In my mind I question the benefit of using it and so far that seems to be opinion of our vets and also the surgeon that did mine. Sure can't see where it would hurt anything but I do doubt very strongly that is helps either. Soooooooooooo who knows?

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Post by bossman » Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:40 pm

Well, as some of said on this board...watch the dog...the dog will tell you. According to some of the posters, their dogs are telling them that it helps. So be it..My vet, also a good friend over 30 years, recommends begining it early in life.

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Post by prairiefirepointers » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:55 pm

I don't currently use anything, but next year I will probably start my brood gyp on some. Just as a preventative. I'm a believer in "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"

I have however sold alot of the Glucosamine 2x with Chondroitin by Retreive Health. There was a member of this forum that got some of this from me for an older dog that was pretty hobbled up after a days hunt. It worked really well for his dog. I think I even seen him post about it and refer to it as a "Miracle elixer" or something to that effect. :lol:

Here is the link to the Retreive Health supplement if you might be interested: http://www.prairiefirepointersupply.com/page82

There is also the new "Canine Athletes" line of supplements by SportDOG. I have not used any yet, and don't have them up on the site yet, but I will have info on them before too long.

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Re: Glucosamine

Post by jarbo03 » Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:31 am

I used ENP Glucosamine Plus Concentrate with great success for my lab. His body was wearing down at the ages of 8-9 yrs. He was a bigger dog, you could see his ribs and backbone at 100 lbs. Haven't seen anything that is a cure all, but it allowed him to hunt more comfortable til the age of 12, although at a slower pace.

http://www.effectivenaturalpets.com/

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Post by mcbosco » Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:10 am

I was told a while back that Perna was also very good for mobility and pain.

There are a few G&C porducts with that as an ingredient.

Studies below:

http://lyprinoluk.com/pdf/halpern.pdf
http://www.k9vetpro.com/GreenLippedMussel.pdf

The one that comes to mind is Annamaet Endure, which is pretty popular on the racing scene and easy to get online.

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Post by Buckeye_V » Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:46 am

We have a dog that was diagnosed as dysplastic and when we do not fdeed the supplements we can see the hitchh in her step. When we feed them to her on a regular basis she acts like a pup.

We have found there is no replacement for keeping her at a good weight and giving her moderate exercise. She is now about 9 and in good health.

We give them the Cosequin and a Fish Oil capsule once daily. It's cheap insurance.
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Post by JIM K » Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:34 am

dont think for 1 minute it does not work.any vet that says it DOES NOT work, is wrong.
my lab is 9 yrs old.his joints make click noise.also his back legs get cramped up after hunting or laying around.

when i dont use glucosamine he clicks etc.only 1 brand i use and it works.


CosaminDS .this is for humans. it same as the dog brand called cosaquinds.
CosaminDS is cheaper than other one.

best place i found mine was on AMAZON IN 210 capsules. you want CAPSULES,dont get cheap hard ones at wal-mart,they will not disolve before your dog poos.

always you CAPSULES which are hard to find or liquid .

TRUST ME, THEY WORK.
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Post by JIM K » Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:42 am

mcbosco wrote:When you buy supplements, especially one that has been commercialized the way G & C has, the manufacturer's reputation is critical. Many supplements are very low quality and don't contain the things on the label.

Apparantly, for G&S to work the two nutrients have to be given as part of a life-long program, although some people swear by them when givin over a shorter period of time.

The few studies that have been done do not show much efficacy when given in the short-term.

However, additional Omega 3's are helpful for joint pain and mobility.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/31/science/31qna.html

There have been quite a few studies on Omegas 3's in animals.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 111600.htm

you are right.use what i rec .CosaminDS,its CAPSULE and it works.buy on internet on sale at AMAZON with free shipping.

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Post by dog dr » Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:15 am

My partner and I have seen some really great results with a product called Steadfast. I dont even think it has glucosamine in it, but with rare exception everyone we have sold it to has come back for more. we have seen many dogs that after using it for a few weeks, were able to discontinue the pain med they were on.

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Post by jahwarrior1423 » Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:36 pm

Anybody know anything about this company?...saw it on another dog forum.

http://www.docsdognutriceuticals.iwarp.com/

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Post by mcbosco » Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:06 pm

jahwarrior1423 wrote:Anybody know anything about this company?...saw it on another dog forum.

http://www.docsdognutriceuticals.iwarp.com/
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Post by SHORTFAT » Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:43 am

I know there are mixed results, but for my Lab's last two years the glucosamine supplements made a big difference for him... and I can't lift weights anymore unless I'm taking a supplement... in my late 40's & had one shoulder rebuilt and the other one needs it... they help me... I think like anything else, results will vary greatly among individuals... placebo effect? i dunno, for me maybe... but I have a hard time applying that to a dog... I would refer to one of the threads about dogs, reasoning and morals... :lol: Try telling the dog it will help him before giving it to him... :wink: All I know is, my Lab moved easier when I gave him the glucosamine supplements, and when I take them, I hurt less in the morning after I've lifted...
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Post by jahwarrior1423 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:21 pm

So what everyone is saying...there's no one good joint product out there?

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Post by mcbosco » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:53 pm

jahwarrior1423 wrote:So what everyone is saying...there's no one good joint product out there?
The woman I buy food from and board my dog with is a well known short distance sled dog racer and she says Annamaet Endure is the only one worth buying, and its pretty reasonable.

Lion Country has it. Maybe those guys can tell you how effective it is.

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Post by bossman » Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:55 pm

So mc...Endure would then be a compliment to Impact ?

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Post by mcbosco » Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:55 pm

bossman wrote:So mc...Endure would then be a compliment to Impact ?
I guess you could say that. I use Endure but not Impact. Impact is a protein and fat supplement, that my dog doesn't need.

Endure is for joint health over the long-term. Spinones are not known for joint issues but any large breed is at higher risk.

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Post by Jrclmn18 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:13 pm

G and C in humans has shown to decrease joint space narrowing (the space between joint bones largely composed of cartilage) over periods of 2-5 years with consistent supplementation. The supplement is thought to add cartilaginous mass to improve joint stability and shock absorption. This is not to say that short term use does not help, it only solidifies claims that long term use can help. If the dog is old, osteoarthritis is the general concern where cartilage in large joints can wear and even be damaged with time and use. This is generally associated with both joint deformity from degradation and discomfort. The deformities can be helped by adding more cartilaginous material (G and C) and omega-3 is an enormous help as it is thought to help lubricate the joint as well as naturally decrease the inflammatory response to damaged tissue. The glucosamine products can vary in quality from manufacturer to manufacturer and many have additions like MSM and HA to only increase the chance that their benefit will be seen over a shorter period of time. However, the omega-3 products are generally only a problem to humans as we don't like to burp up the fish stink. Dogs, on the other hand, would seem to prefer the fishier the better.

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Post by dog dr » Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:42 am

dog dr wrote:My partner and I have seen some really great results with a product called Steadfast. I dont even think it has glucosamine in it, but with rare exception everyone we have sold it to has come back for more. we have seen many dogs that after using it for a few weeks, were able to discontinue the pain med they were on.

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Post by prairiefirepointers » Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:33 am

prairiefirepointers wrote:I have however sold alot of the Glucosamine 2x with Chondroitin by Retreive Health. There was a member of this forum that got some of this from me for an older dog that was pretty hobbled up after a days hunt. It worked really well for his dog. I think I even seen him post about it and refer to it as a "Miracle elixer" or something to that effect.
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