National dog food

[ohiogsp]

Anyone feed national dog foods? This is sold where I live and was wondering if it was any good?

http://www.nationaldogfood.com/www/about.html

[original mngsp]

A few years ago a group of my friends were feeding it and had good results, but the combination of prices increasing and tougher availability in this area lead them to switch.

[kninebirddog]

INGREDIENTS: Poultry Meal, Fish Meal, Kibbled Corn, Pork Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), Extruded Rice, Beet Pulp, Plain, Dried, Blood Meal, Sodium Bentonite, Corn Oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols), Cane Molasses, Feeding Oat Meal, Liver Digest, Flaxseed, Potassium Chloride, Vitamins and Minerals

This is the label from their competition formula 584 cal per cup this is promising here

BUT BUT BUT

Doesn't specify what kinda of poultry...so it can be a mix or what ever is the most available....Anytime a company doesn't specify WHAT KIND of meat source it can be what ever is the cheapest that day or a mix so this can be any kind of poultry which was brewed up in to a slurry then processed....

Kibbled corn....only thing here is it really doesn't say how this corn is processed before kibbling...if it is ground then compressed it is only a filler

and pork fat....Pork ...I personally do not like pork in the dog foods it can turn rancid much faster then other sources


After reading the ingredients...No I would not feed this to my dogs

[ezzy333]

Knine, your posts on dogfood continue to mislead due to your misinformation of ingredients and procedures in dog food manufacturing. It is fine that you make up your mind about what you want to feed but you are misleading other people with your hangups.

Poultry meal is a set ingredient and it's quaranteed anyalsis is controlled just like any other ingredient. Corn is always ground before using as far as I have ever seen. You couldnt use a whole corn as it would be ground going through the dyes plus it wouldn't hold together in a pellet. Plus a dog will and does eat whole grains and do well on them. Practically every farm dog in the midwest lived on ear corn that they would get from the crib and chew the kernels off of the cob. Mine still do that if you run them in a picked corn field and they can find an ear that escaped the picker. I'm sure that in your country that doesn't happen but it sure does here. And if the dogfood is being extruded or pelleted the friction of being pushed through the dyes plus the steam being added to help hold the pellet together raises the temp of the mash so high it is being cooked as it is processed.

Feeding oat meal is a rolled oat product and that is the same material you buy when you buy Oat Meal for breakfast or to make oatmeal cookies. Flaxseed meal is a protien source that the amino acid makeup tends to make the coat shiny which is very attractive in any animal. The meal from flaxseed is commonly known as Linseed Meal. Potassium chloride is a mined rock that is the source of potassium used for animals and also for plants as we spread it on our fields. Sodium Bentonite is nothing more than a high quality clay that is used as a binder to keep the pellets together which reduces the fines you find in the bottom of the bags and would be wasted. Blood meal is just that, dried blood, and the beet pulp is a dried cooling type feed much like you eating a dehydrated salad that tends to reconstitute when you drink water. Extruded rice is just another source of carbs along with the corn but does not have the protien or complex carbs that make corn a better product. As you can see, every ingredient in the feed is there for a purpose and is not added as a filler. There isn't a company in the world that would put a filler in the feed so they would have to pay the added frieght to have it shipped and get nothing back for it. Ingredients are expensive and anything you put in the feed is there for a purpose that makes the feed better so they get a return for the cost of including it.

All in all the feed label looks fine and meets the needs of the dog just like the other feeds on the market. What each of us feeds is our decission but when someone asks about a product we need to give them facts and not our opinions that are ok for us but arent based on fact. Like I've said many times before if one dog food was better than the rest it would be the only one used. But as you can see from any poll we have ever had, everyone has their preferences but there is absolutely no proof that any one food is better than the others.

Find a food that your dog likes and does well on and you can afford and you have the best food in the world. Most of us have done that. And thankfully we don't have to worry much about quality since each state as well as the federal government has set the standards and they check the products and the procedures used to manufacture the products often and thoroughly. If the feed doesn't meet the quality standards or provide the necesary nutrition to keep your dog healthy it won't be on the market.

Ezzy

[kninebirddog]

EZZY ...I learn my information from the FDA governtment site....From what the AAFCO states
LEarning to read dogs food labels plus talking to reps from different feed companies
I used to work at a feedlot and also an livestock auction yard which the animals that didn't make it alive on the live stack hauler went to rendering trucks same with the poultry and any other animal that didn't live through the day....and they all went into the same truck...learned more then I care to...
and Purina was one of the main shell animal buyer

So ....This is where I learned my information from....

Pet labels are not under the restrictions that humans labels are but they still have to go by weight ...whether fresh before processing if they want oyu to feel like your getting Rel chicken....even IAMS has a chart out at some pet sales area describing what it takes to make a meal

Purina reps calling Beneful Crack for Dogs I asked why he showed me on the label sugar and sweetners the Rep said it is like feeding your kid candy bars for dinner....SO I guess The puroina rep doesn't know what he is selling or talking about



Think what you want it is very obvious we do not see eye to eye on much....

I read the ingredients even posted the ingredients people can read it for them selves and go research for them selves also

in many of my previous posts there are links to the FDA and other site which explains and shows the AAFCO guidelines. Guess the AAFCO and FDA is uninformed also

[ezzy333]

I worked with those people for years and the Fda even took the inspection form I had developed and used it almost exactly as I had written it. When they callled and asked that I instruct their inspectors I think that pretty much tells you where I am coming from also. I don't have to go read what they have written as I worked with these people and agencies.

I also know where the Meat Scraps, Meat and Bone Meal, Tankage, and Blood Meal come from and what it is composed of and the quality it must maintain to be used in any feed. None of them are what humans want to eat but are fine for dogs and other animals.

Another point, are you aware that the same people who inspect the human food, cosmetics, and other human products also are the ones that inspect the animal feed plants. There is a reduced requirement as far as sanitation and cleanliness between the two but less than you think.

As far as a Purina rep running their own product down, I dont believe I would put much stock in someone that would do that. I even fed Beneful for a while and it did a fine job till I found a Diamond dealer. And it isn't unusual to use some type of sweetner in most feeds including human food. We just have never found an appetite enhanser that equals sugar. We do use Cane Molasses in some also but that is another form of sugar so it does the same thing.

I don't think we are as far apart as you indicate but I will admit I have trouble with some of your positions just like I do a lot of other people too. Thats why I am here is to learn, teach, discuss, and enjoy our world of dogs. There is so much I don't know that I have found explained here and I've learned from that. But when I studied and made my living in the sales, manufacturing, quality control, and environmental and regulatory compliance areas, of animal and pet feeds I hate to see someone that has some misinformation about feed and feeding, so I try to share some of my knowledge in these areas. I do it with the hope someone will learn from it. And I believe some do.

That said I still think it is fine for you to feed whatever you like for whatever reason and I know I wont change your mind on anything but hopefully some other people will learn from my experience.

Ezzy