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Has PP ever had a recall of any kind? Just curious not trying to start anything.

http://www.avma.org/petfoodsafety/recal ... efault.asp

Purina One has been recalled but not Pro Plan.

UT

I'd like to start something. Purina does not have kcal per cup and kcal per kg listed on thier website for PP. They also don't mention what size bags the feed comes in. ( but if I remember,it is #35) I also emailed them last friday with questions and they still haven't gotten back to me. Ok sorry, rant over.

utprizewire wrote:http://www.avma.org/petfoodsafety/recal ... efault.asp

Purina One has been recalled but not Pro Plan.

UT

You do realize that recall was for CAT Food don't you?

Purina's QC is pretty stringent and while I won't say they've never been recalled, I don't know for sure; unlike many of the so called Premium Brands, they haven't been recalled in my recent memory.

brad27 wrote:I'd like to start something. Purina does not have kcal per cup and kcal per kg listed on thier website for PP. They also don't mention what size bags the feed comes in. ( but if I remember,it is #35) I also emailed them last friday with questions and they still haven't gotten back to me. Ok sorry, rant over.

Performance comes in a 37.5 lb bag and is 493 kcal per cup/4406 kcal per kg. Some of their other formulas do come in smaller bags.

37.5 LBS. = 17.0 kg

Back when they used the older style (not glossy) paper packaging they had THE WORST seasonal problem with mealmoths in the food. You could get to the bottom of a bag and there'd be six inches of webby debris. Went on for years.

Cajun Casey wrote:Back when they used the older style (not glossy) paper packaging they had THE WORST seasonal problem with mealmoths in the food. You could get to the bottom of a bag and there'd be six inches of webby debris. Went on for years.

Why don't you just start a new thread on what dog food & packaging used to be like in the olden days?

BigShooter wrote:

Cajun Casey wrote:Back when they used the older style (not glossy) paper packaging they had THE WORST seasonal problem with mealmoths in the food. You could get to the bottom of a bag and there'd be six inches of webby debris. Went on for years.

Why don't you just start a new thread on what dog food & packaging used to be like in the olden days?

I guess I don't understand. Purina just wrapped up the changeover to glossy paper or plastic on PVD less than two years ago and I've yet to see anything except the largest OM come out in the woven bags.

Cajun Casey wrote:Back when they used the older style (not glossy) paper packaging they had THE WORST seasonal problem with mealmoths in the food. You could get to the bottom of a bag and there'd be six inches of webby debris. Went on for years.

Must have been some kinda good food if you put up with that and kept feeding it for years.

Are mealmoths a regional thing? Can't say as I have heard of them and have never had a bag of dog food of any type or quality or packaging that had "webby debris" in the bottom.

slistoe wrote:

Cajun Casey wrote:Back when they used the older style (not glossy) paper packaging they had THE WORST seasonal problem with mealmoths in the food. You could get to the bottom of a bag and there'd be six inches of webby debris. Went on for years.

Must have been some kinda good food if you put up with that and kept feeding it for years.

Are mealmoths a regional thing? Can't say as I have heard of them and have never had a bag of dog food of any type or quality or packaging that had "webby debris" in the bottom.

I don't feed ProPlan, mostly. I sell it. I'm surprised you've not heard of meal moths. You consume their eggs, along with those of other stored grain pests, every time you use spices. Or, maybe you're just a bland kind of guy.

Because I ate some microscopic, unlisted, unidentified, unquantified eggs I should have heard of mealmoths? Now there was the time that the mealworms had all hatched in the oatmeal on a week long backpacking excursion and for a couple of days our morning cereal had added protein content. Had I not cooked them would I have seen mealmoths eventually?

slistoe wrote:Because I ate some microscopic, unlisted, unidentified, unquantified eggs I should have heard of mealmoths? Now there was the time that the mealworms had all hatched in the oatmeal on a week long backpacking excursion and for a couple of days our morning cereal had added protein content. Had I not cooked them would I have seen mealmoths eventually?

I think what she is talking about are the moths that come from the meal worms. Have no idea how she got the connection to spices though.

Ezzy

ezzy333 wrote:

slistoe wrote:Because I ate some microscopic, unlisted, unidentified, unquantified eggs I should have heard of mealmoths? Now there was the time that the mealworms had all hatched in the oatmeal on a week long backpacking excursion and for a couple of days our morning cereal had added protein content. Had I not cooked them would I have seen mealmoths eventually?

I think what she is talking about are the moths that come from the meal worms. Have no idea how she got the connection to spices though.

Ezzy

I didn't say anything about mealwoms. Purina products (Dog Chow, ProPlan and PVD) used to have a mealmoth problem. Those, along with weevils, are often found in spices that have been stored for a long time. Spices cannot be heat treated without affecting their quality and pest eggs are fairly resilient, anyway. Bird feeds are where we see the most infestation because they are frequently composed of whole seeds.

You do realize that recall was for CAT Food don't you?

Whoopsy!! Saw Purina One and figured it was dog food!!

Regardless, like the feed dogs always did good on it but at almost $40.00 for a 37.5 lb bag I can find a better feed at that price.

UT

Cajun Casey wrote: I didn't say anything about mealwoms. Purina products (Dog Chow, ProPlan and PVD) used to have a mealmoth problem. Those, along with weevils, are often found in spices that have been stored for a long time. Spices cannot be heat treated without affecting their quality and pest eggs are fairly resilient, anyway. Bird feeds are where we see the most infestation because they are frequently composed of whole seeds.

Are you sure the problem was at their end?

slistoe wrote:

Cajun Casey wrote: I didn't say anything about mealwoms. Purina products (Dog Chow, ProPlan and PVD) used to have a mealmoth problem. Those, along with weevils, are often found in spices that have been stored for a long time. Spices cannot be heat treated without affecting their quality and pest eggs are fairly resilient, anyway. Bird feeds are where we see the most infestation because they are frequently composed of whole seeds.

Are you sure the problem was at their end?

Yes, because other clinics would send clients when they found the problem. We moved more volume, so our food was usually clean when theirs was buggy.

How would you know processing was the issue vs. the bags? Did you see the bags before they were opened to know they hadn't been perforated by handling before an infestation? Do you have any way of knowing whether this was a local, hot weather issue or an international issue? How many other sources for Pro-Plan are near you so you know this wasn't restricted to a single supplier? I've never seen the problem in ProPlan or any of the foods I've used & know a pro that's used the product by the pallet load for years without the issue. I don't understand why so many pros used the product for so many years over such a large area if the problem was as widespread as you have alluded.

The bags are that crinkly plastic material now.

mcbosco wrote:The bags are that crinkly plastic material now.

Helps keep people from cutting the weight circles off.

When I bought ProPlan. the store I went to usually had every weight circle missing from their bags.

BigShooter wrote:How would you know processing was the issue vs. the bags? Did you see the bags before they were opened to know they hadn't been perforated by handling before an infestation? Do you have any way of knowing whether this was a local, hot weather issue or an international issue? How many other sources for Pro-Plan are near you so you know this wasn't restricted to a single supplier? I've never seen the problem in ProPlan or any of the foods I've used & know a pro that's used the product by the pallet load for years without the issue. I don't understand why so many pros used the product for so many years over such a large area if the problem was as widespread as you have alluded.

I think I mentioned it was relative to the type of packaging. And, we did open bags before sending them home. I'm sure the contact/infestation could very well have occurred during shipping because trailers are not exactly pristine.

We have fed PPP for over 8 years and never seen a mealmoth or any other bug or 'debris" in the bags. We have never had a problem with the food except once when a bag of it smelled "sweet". We gave a sample to a Purina rep and found out that it must have been stored/shipped with sweet feed for horses. The only problem was the dogs really loved it That was with the old bags. We have never got a bag with missing weight circles. Makes me think we live on a different plane them some of you

The eggs are in the meal and when stored in damp warm conditions they hatch. Has nothing to do with a quality program. The plastic bags do help by reducing moisture problems. One of the important things to do is store your feed some where other than on a concrete floor and watch the manufacturing date especially in the summer. You won't have the problem in the winter.

I think you will be hard pressed to prove that the problem is any greater with one company than another given the same storage conditions.

Ezzy

ezzy333 wrote:The eggs are in the meal and when stored in damp warm conditions they hatch. Has nothing to do with a quality program. The plastic bags do help by reducing moisture problems. One of the important things to do is store your feed some where other than on a concrete floor and watch the manufacturing date especially in the summer. You won't have the problem in the winter.

I think you will be hard pressed to prove that the problem is any greater with one company than another given the same storage conditions.

Ezzy

Exactly.

Cajun Casey wrote:

slistoe wrote:

Cajun Casey wrote: Are you sure the problem was at their end?

Yes, because other clinics would send clients when they found the problem. We moved more volume, so our food was usually clean when theirs was buggy.

Well there you solved the issue. By running into it sideways.