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Postby Dakotazeb » Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:23 pm

Since my 1 year old female Brittany apparently has food allergies and tested positive for Lamb, Turkey, Rabbit, Salmon, Tomato, Peanut and Yeast. She was also borderline to positive for Chicken. With this information I have switched her from ProPlan Sport 30/20 (chicken) to one of the foods recommended by the testing laboratory. She is now on Canidae Grain Free Pure with Wild Boar. https://www.canidae.com/dog-food/produc ... ry-formula

The Canidae is 25% protein and 15% fat. My question is, will the Canidae provide as much energy for her as the ProPlan? This dog is a big running field trial dog and expends a lot of energy. She gets exercised pretty hard on a daily basis. I see the Canidae has 454 calories per cup compared to 475 for the ProPlan. So not a big difference there. She was getting 2 cups per day of the ProPlan and is getting 2 cups of the Canidae.

Any thoughts on the subject will be appreciated. I don't want this to become a dog food debate. I'm sticking with the Canidae until I'm able to determine if it's having a positive effect on her itchy skin.
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Re: Energy from Dog Food

Postby shags » Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:59 pm

I wouldn't worry about it at all until I saw a change for the worse in stamina or condition.

If she needs more calories you can add fat from whatever source is compatible with her allergy problem. My dogs love sardines packed in oil, so get more protein and fat that way. (Sorry, don't remember if fish is on the no go list for your dog).

Good luck with the new diet, hope it works.
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Re: Energy from Dog Food

Postby Dakotazeb » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:12 pm

Yeah, I guess I'll just have to monitor her. Probably take a little while for her to adjust to the new food. She sure likes it though and chows down like never before. I'm a little gun shy on the fish as she was positive for Salmon and borderline for what they called Shellfish Mix. I did have her on a salmon supplement while she was on the ProPlan but discontinued that when we got the test results. Since the calorie content is quite similar the new food should not be an issue. I believe Canidae is a quality food. Should be for the price! :) $60 for a 24 lb. bag.
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Re: Energy from Dog Food

Postby MonsterDad » Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:36 am

You can also try Merrick Texas Beef Grain Free. I believe it is 38% protein and 18% fat.
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Re: Energy from Dog Food

Postby Dakotazeb » Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:51 am

MonsterDad wrote:You can also try Merrick Texas Beef Grain Free. I believe it is 38% protein and 18% fat.


The Merrick Beef Grain Free contains Lamb Meal. She is positive for Lamb. It also appears that all the Merrick Grain Free formulas either contain lamb meal or chicken meal. I need to stay away from both. The Canidae Grain Free Pure with Wild Boar is one of the very few foods that doesn't have some form of lamb or chicken in it.
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Re: Energy from Dog Food

Postby SHaRPS » Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:47 am

She will be just fine. You can always add slightly more food to achieve your desired calorie intake.

I feed all 3 of my pointer Orijen Regional Red but you could give the 6 fish a try. There is no salmon in the 6 fish. (Mackerel, Pilchard, Hake, Flounder, Rockfish, Sole). Acana Freshwater fish also does not have salmon (it does have trout though which is a salmonoid) Blue Catfish and yellow perch. Wild Atlantic is also another option. The other benefit of a fish recipe is a fantastic coat. Both Orijen and Acana are made by Champion Pet Foods. Wellness should have some options as well.

Hope this helps!
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Re: Energy from Dog Food

Postby Dakotazeb » Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:02 pm

She was borderline positive for what they called "Fish Mix" and "Shellfish Mix". Not sure what they are but right now I'm staying away from fish. The Canidae is one of the only foods that I've found that doesn't have lamb meal or some type of fish in it. As for now I have to stick with the Canidae to see if it works. Will take a couple of months to find out. 25% protein and 15% fat should be fine. And like SHaRPS said, I can adjust the amount of ration to get the desired results. That's what I did with my previous dog and she was on a 26/16 formula from NutriSource.
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Re: Energy from Dog Food

Postby SHaRPS » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:18 am

Ah ok, I would stay away from the foods I mentioned if that is the case. Hopefully the Canidae works out.
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Re: Energy from Dog Food

Postby Dakotazeb » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:04 pm

Along this same line I have a question. How much protein and fat does a dog really need? In my case, I have a 14 month old female Brittany that will be both a hunting and a NSTRA field trial dog. When not hunting or trialing I exercise her pretty hard at least 6 days a week. She either gets run in the field for an hour or I road her with my bike and we do 6-9 miles at a 10-12 mph pace. She is in great condition. So what is the minimum protein and fat she should have in her food? As I stated in the original post on this thread she is currently on a Canidae Grain Free that is 25/15 and seems to be doing well with good energy and endurance.
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Re: Energy from Dog Food

Postby shags » Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:25 am

I have no degree in Dogfoodology, but in my real world experience, each dog needs what he needs. Some might need higher content, some do fine with lower - hard keepers and easy keepers, couch potatoes and high performance types.

If your dog is doing well on the current diet, then it must have what she needs to support her active lifestyle*. I wouldn't worry about it unless/until she fell off in some way.

*just reading her workout routine made me want to take a nap :D She's quite the go-er.
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Re: Energy from Dog Food

Postby Urban_Redneck » Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:17 am

You could supplement with high fat beef. I feed extra 73/27 ground beef that I get on sale for $2/lb the night before a big day. You can also add a raw egg every other day.
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Re: Energy from Dog Food

Postby Garrison » Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:37 am

Dakotazeb wrote:Along this same line I have a question. How much protein and fat does a dog really need? In my case, I have a 14 month old female Brittany that will be both a hunting and a NSTRA field trial dog. When not hunting or trialing I exercise her pretty hard at least 6 days a week. She either gets run in the field for an hour or I road her with my bike and we do 6-9 miles at a 10-12 mph pace. She is in great condition. So what is the minimum protein and fat she should have in her food? As I stated in the original post on this thread she is currently on a Canidae Grain Free that is 25/15 and seems to be doing well with good energy and endurance.


"She seems to be in great condition and seems to be doing well with good energy and endurance"

I'm pretty sure this is what we are all looking for?

I road my guy off my mountain bike as well, he is pretty tough on brake pads. I know he would be willing to go 7 days a week but I make sure to put some rest in his schedule. I feel they need time off just like any athlete. On the off days I will still take him to field to blow off a little steam. 6 days of resistance work espeacially for a 14 month old seems a bit excessive in my guesstimatinon.
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Re: Energy from Dog Food

Postby Dakotazeb » Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:02 am

Garrison wrote:
Dakotazeb wrote:Along this same line I have a question. How much protein and fat does a dog really need? In my case, I have a 14 month old female Brittany that will be both a hunting and a NSTRA field trial dog. When not hunting or trialing I exercise her pretty hard at least 6 days a week. She either gets run in the field for an hour or I road her with my bike and we do 6-9 miles at a 10-12 mph pace. She is in great condition. So what is the minimum protein and fat she should have in her food? As I stated in the original post on this thread she is currently on a Canidae Grain Free that is 25/15 and seems to be doing well with good energy and endurance.


"She seems to be in great condition and seems to be doing well with good energy and endurance"

I'm pretty sure this is what we are all looking for?

I road my guy off my mountain bike as well, he is pretty tough on brake pads. I know he would be willing to go 7 days a week but I make sure to put some rest in his schedule. I feel they need time off just like any athlete. On the off days I will still take him to field to blow off a little steam. 6 days of resistance work espeacially for a 14 month old seems a bit excessive in my guesstimatinon.


I don't road her with my bike every day. Usually every other day or about 3 days a week. The other days I do like you, and let her free run in the field. I agree, rest is important. I know when I was younger and running competitively my rest days were as important as my workout days. Need to give the body time to regenerate and muscles to heal. I've always taken the same approach with my dogs and they have done well.
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Re: Energy from Dog Food

Postby Garrison » Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:18 am

Dakotazeb wrote:
Garrison wrote:
Dakotazeb wrote:Along this same line I have a question. How much protein and fat does a dog really need? In my case, I have a 14 month old female Brittany that will be both a hunting and a NSTRA field trial dog. When not hunting or trialing I exercise her pretty hard at least 6 days a week. She either gets run in the field for an hour or I road her with my bike and we do 6-9 miles at a 10-12 mph pace. She is in great condition. So what is the minimum protein and fat she should have in her food? As I stated in the original post on this thread she is currently on a Canidae Grain Free that is 25/15 and seems to be doing well with good energy and endurance.


"She seems to be in great condition and seems to be doing well with good energy and endurance"

I'm pretty sure this is what we are all looking for?

I road my guy off my mountain bike as well, he is pretty tough on brake pads. I know he would be willing to go 7 days a week but I make sure to put some rest in his schedule. I feel they need time off just like any athlete. On the off days I will still take him to field to blow off a little steam. 6 days of resistance work espeacially for a 14 month old seems a bit excessive in my guesstimatinon.


I don't road her with my bike every day. Usually every other day or about 3 days a week. The other days I do like you, and let her free run in the field. I agree, rest is important. I know when I was younger and running competitively my rest days were as important as my workout days. Need to give the body time to regenerate and muscles to heal. I've always taken the same approach with my dogs and they have done well.


Sorry I misread your post. Sounds like we have just about identical programs. I agree, it does keep them in pretty good shape.
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Energy from Dog Food

Postby MGIII » Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:09 pm

Do you add coconut oil to her food?
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Re: Energy from Dog Food

Postby polmaise » Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:34 pm

Dakotazeb wrote:Since my 1 year old female Brittany apparently has food allergies and tested positive for Lamb, Turkey, Rabbit, Salmon, Tomato, Peanut and Yeast. She was also borderline to positive for Chicken. With this information I have switched her from ProPlan Sport 30/20 (chicken) to one of the foods recommended by the testing laboratory. .

I'm sure it will be fine on kibble :P ..unless it becomes allergic to chicken of course .
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