Hunting Dog Training & More    

Popular Searches: Garmin Astro | Dog Collars | Tri-Tronics | SPORTdog

Best gun dog food?

Best gun dog food?

Postby porochi » Mon May 21, 2018 11:03 pm

My GSP, 22 mos, male, seems to be a picky eater. Haven't found a food he'll eat consistently and not get diarrhea. I've owned him for a little over 4 months. I've taken him to the vet and he recommends uber expensive Science Diet, Digestive Aid, at $2.95 per can! That'd add up in a hurry feeding this dog. He'll eat it, but I'm looking for something more sensible, price wise. I've tried a variety so far and he still gets diarrhea, vomits, eats grass, etc., all the signs of digestive issues but vet check shows nothing other than I should feed him better quality food. So what do you all feed your GSP's or other gun dog breeds that are mega high energy like mine? I've tried wet food, dry food, etc. but can't seem to settle on one that he'll eat well and not show signs of digestive distress. Energy wise, he's fine, looks good, hunts hard, etc. Maybe this is just due to his makeup, he's wound pretty tight and is a blur of activity most of the time, so perhaps this is normal. I don't keep him in a dog run much, he usually has the full run of my big back yard and we go on frequent jogs and walks, so maybe he's still adjusting to his new normal, before I got him he spent most of his days in a 10 x 10 run.
porochi
Rank: Junior Hunter
 
Posts: 26
Joined: Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:55 pm
Location: Kansas

Re: Best gun dog food?

Postby shags » Tue May 22, 2018 4:59 am

Purina makes a sensitive stomach formula. Check TSC or Chewey.com Sometimes good deals on dogfood on Amazon also.

When your dog vomits, is it undigested food or is it yellow phlegm-y stuff with/without grass in it?

What is your feeding regimen? One big meal a day, or two smaller meals?

Eating grass doesn't necessarily mean there is a problem, lots of dogs graze especially in the spring.

FWIW I had a dog who had problems with loose stools. My vet told me that sometimes dogs get an overgrowth of the wrong bacteria in the small intestine that upset the whole tract. He put the dog on metronidazole (Flagyl) for about a week, and the dog straightened right out. Over the course of his life the problem came back a couple times, but cleared up with the antibiotic treatment.
shags
GDF Junkie
 
Posts: 2223
Joined: Wed Jan 02, 2008 4:57 pm
Location: Please ADD LOCATION

Re: Best gun dog food?

Postby isonychia » Tue May 22, 2018 11:10 am

How long has he had the runs? Giardiasis can be difficult to diagnose if they miss the shedding cycle. Stay away from high protein foods. Give it a week after changing food to see if it makes a difference.
User avatar
isonychia
Rank: 4X Champion
 
Posts: 694
Joined: Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:35 am
Location: Southwestern Colorado

Re: Best gun dog food?

Postby porochi » Tue May 22, 2018 10:49 pm

He's had the runs off and on since I got him in late January. His vomit is foamy white/creamy with grass in it. I feed him twice a day, morning and evening. He's a GSP, 22 mos, 50 lbs. I think I'm going to take him to a different vet and get a 2nd opinion. He might have a parasite as this has been going on since I got him. I bought him from a game preserve where he was a guide dog. Who knows what he could have picked up there, he was one of about 15 guide dogs they kept.But they kept each dog in a solo run so they only mixed when hunting. Seeing how high strung he is I figured he'd be a voracious eater but he's not, he tends to nibble and leave much of his food. He'll return to it throughout the day and slowly eat it down, but usually leaves a fair amount behind. Maybe I need to add another dog to the mix, huh? He doesn't have any competition. Maybe he'd eat better then. I'm probably switching it up too often, trying to find something good quality that he'll eat well and consistently. I'd like to see him put on a little more weight. I've hunted over him a half a dozen times since I got him and been pleased with his performance, he doesn't lack for energy and drive and loves to hunt. So his diet and digestive issues don't seem to affect his performance.
porochi
Rank: Junior Hunter
 
Posts: 26
Joined: Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:55 pm
Location: Kansas

Re: Best gun dog food?

Postby ezzy333 » Wed May 23, 2018 5:29 am

I would cut the food back till he started cleaning it up within a few minutes and see if that doesn't help. There are a thousand good foods out there and I am sure you have fed some of them. The one thing I wouldn't buy or feed is a wet canned food. Stick to the dry kibble

Ezzy
User avatar
ezzy333
GDF Junkie
 
Posts: 16587
Joined: Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:14 pm
Location: Dixon IL

Re: Best gun dog food?

Postby shags » Wed May 23, 2018 5:40 am

What has worked for me with dogs who are picky eaters is to put the food down and give them 15 minutes to eat, then the pan comes up whether it's empty or not. Two or three days of being hungry enough to build up an appetite turns them around.

I top dress my dogs' food with a little bit of canned food. The stinkier the better. Sometimes I give them sardines after draining the oil. They'd run through fire for them.

My young dog gets worked hard, and gets a bit skinny. Feeding even more isn't an option. He gets a supplement called Impact, a high protein, high fat powder that adds calories without the bulk of extra portions of food. It's made of fish and eggs basically, and stinks to high heaven, but the dogs love it. Impact goes on the kibble, and add water to dissolve it. I found the best price from Chewey.com

Changing feed often could be contributing to your dog's problems. Their guts get used a feed, and grow bacteria that digests it best. Then if you change the food, the bacteria aren't the 'right' ones for digestion, and the gut has to start over growing ones that work. in the meantime, diarrhea. IME best to choose a good dog food and stick with it.
shags
GDF Junkie
 
Posts: 2223
Joined: Wed Jan 02, 2008 4:57 pm
Location: Please ADD LOCATION

Re: Best gun dog food?

Postby SCT » Wed May 23, 2018 7:58 am

When I use to feed lesser food (kibble)my dogs would eat grass when I let them out and within a few minutes they would vomit up a yellow slime. That behavior completely stopped when I started feeding Farmina (kibble). I've been feeding it now for almost a year, but, Interestingly, I wanted to feed some pups a food with a little less protein and fat and during the transition to the cheaper food (which is a decent food) I noticed my female this morning vomiting the grass and yellow slime. I believe she eats the grass on purpose to clear out her stomach. I feed two different kinds of Farmina, one is N&D chicken and pumpkin 30-20, and the other chicken and "Ancestral" grain 30/20. I buy them 10 bags at a time from Farmina. If you buy it from Chewy or Amazon it's like $85 a bag, but I get it from Farmina at $50-$57 per bag (26.5 lb bags). Most people aren't going to pay that much for dog food, but I do. I've found it helps with fertility and since I started using it I've had bigger, healthier litters with it.
User avatar
SCT
Rank: 5X Champion
 
Posts: 854
Joined: Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:43 pm
Location: Utah

Re: Best gun dog food?

Postby Thinblueline » Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:30 pm

My French Brittany seems to like small kibble better than any larger variety. I’ve also moved back away from the whole grain free thing I had previously bought into. My dog is extremely picky and I had to try different foods to find something it would eat. I don’t know if I would call it the best, but I’ve settled on Diamond Naturals Small Breed Adult (for the small kibble), in the lamb and rice or chicken and rice formula. He handles it fairly well.
Thinblueline
Rank: Junior Hunter
 
Posts: 37
Joined: Sat May 13, 2017 7:30 pm
Location: Please ADD LOCATION

Re: Best gun dog food?

Postby ezzy333 » Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:59 pm

The best food you can buy is one that is readily available, your dog does well on it, and it is affordable. I have always found that any dog that is a picky eater isn't hungry. Cut them back a little or skip a feed or two and the pickiness disappears. More often than not it is the owner who wants the dog to eat a little more that gets it started. You need to remember that a young fast growing pup will normally be a little thin which is great for the dog, especially the hips and other joints. I have found if you want to feed a little extra is add a couple of splashes of an oil instead of feeding more. I have used an oil I buy at TSC that is near 50% flax oil which is the highest omega vegetable oil you can find. Works well for me. I too, have ignored the marketing fad of grain free as I want corn to be the second ingredient listed. That normally will get you a food that will provide the energy that hard working dogs need along with the fat that is included in the feed.

Ezzy
User avatar
ezzy333
GDF Junkie
 
Posts: 16587
Joined: Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:14 pm
Location: Dixon IL

Re: Best gun dog food?

Postby mask » Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:43 pm

I have found that over feeding is the biggest cause of loose stool. Changing feed often doesn't help. You might try feeding less and follow the tips given by the other respondents.
mask
Rank: 2X Champion
 
Posts: 442
Joined: Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:05 am
Location: Idaho

Re: Best gun dog food?

Postby Steve007 » Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:38 pm

porochi wrote:He might have a parasite as this has been going on since I got him.


By this, may we assume that your vet has not run --- and run again -- fecals since you got him six months ago?
Steve007
Rank: 3X Champion
 
Posts: 561
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:14 pm
Location: St. Louis, MO

Re: Best gun dog food?

Postby MikeB » Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:18 am

Porochi,
Get a complete stool sample exam from your vet to rule out any kind of parasites. Thats #1.

Follow what Ezee333 posted.

I would be curious to know Exactly what food brands and formulas have you used and exactly how much food did you feed each meal? You must measure with a 1 cup measuring cup. If dogs don't have parasites then dogs can get loose stools from feeding to much food, high fat foods they cant digest, and foods that contain wheat its rare but I've seen several times. Never seen food with ground corn causing diarrhea. I personally won't use foods with wheat or corn.
One of the best foods I have ever used was Canidae Original 4 protein 24% protein 14% fat.

I would also research (google search) digestive aid products like: Prozymes, Digest Forte, Nzymes, or Total Zymes. They provide good bacteria in the dogs gut. I have personally used Prozymes for 30 years raising and training dogs.

If your interested in talking more feel free to e-mail me. thedogtrainer@yahoo.com

Hope that helps.
MikeB
Rank: 5X Champion
 
Posts: 850
Joined: Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:20 pm
Location: So. California

Re: Best gun dog food?

Postby Urban_Redneck » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:21 am

Look into feeding raw, it's much easier on a dog's digestive system.
User avatar
Urban_Redneck
Rank: Senior Hunter
 
Posts: 150
Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2016 7:56 pm
Location: NE PA

Re: Best gun dog food?

Postby ezzy333 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:08 pm

Urban_Redneck wrote:Look into feeding raw, it's much easier on a dog's digestive system.


I think this is something you can not prove or find any real research that even suggests it.

Ezzy
User avatar
ezzy333
GDF Junkie
 
Posts: 16587
Joined: Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:14 pm
Location: Dixon IL


Return to Health and Nutrition

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests

| Pedigrees

THIS POST : Best gun dog food? brought to you by Gun Dog Supply: Dog Training Collars & Hunting Dog Supplies

Click here to tweet this post

  • NOT logged in
  • Best gun dog food?
  • ./viewtopic.php?f=88&t=53019&start=0&sid=3533c2a905303f8d348f50071c20fccf