Neil wrote: gonehuntin' wrote:Tempt the larcenous devil. Instead of bumpers, throw 1000 clip wings, some long, some short. Call other dogs names. You should be able to throw and shoot a blank, then loudly call another dog's name and have him sit there. He should only go on HIS name. If he wiggles around, whack him with a heeling stick. Challenge him; that's what he's doing to you.
Carefully read the above, anyone that thinks it appropriate to sharply strick a year old dog with intent to do harm having only a week to prepare him is as abusive as the poster.
You really have absolutely no clue do you? "sharply stick a year old dog"? Where is that in my quote? A good crack on the rear does wonders to settle a dog down.
He doesn't have a week to prepare the dog, he has the rest of the dog's life and he's behind in the dog's training. If that dog were in a program, he'd be ready to run licensed AKC derbies at his age. He's behind in his training a slight amount. Might as well start doing things correctly now or the dog will NEVER be a trained dog.
Neil wrote:Most of us have come to know Banks, he is not larcenous, is not the devil, and has not chalenged anyone. "Whack" has a specific meaning, tap, nudge, prod, push, are not synonyms. Rather than defend himself against the indefensibly, the poster only needed to retract, saying he misspoke.
Bill Clinton speaketh again. And I thought we were done with him. All dogs are larcenous devils. It's a HUMOROUS REFERENCE. Perhaps you were born without a sense of humor. Probably isn't a retriever trainer alive that hasn't referred to a dog as a "larcenous devil". He challenged the poster when, after being told to sit he didn't and did not sit quietly. That is a command refusal and a direct challenge to his authority.
I did not misspeak. It is good, solid advice and advocated by all top retriever trainers today. That heeling stick they ALL carry is not a cane for the seeing eye. Must be some reason every gun dog supply sells them huh?????
Neil wrote:It is very hard to give proper advice on any forum, harder with animals, we have an obligation to be succinct or quickly correct errors.
And to know what you're speaking of. If you don't have a lot of knowledge on retrievers, don't offer it. You can get any of the good retriever DVD's out there from Judy Aycock showing it's use for indirect pressure to Lardy.
Neil wrote:I am done with this, the poster gave poor advice
This poster, me, gave great, current and valid advice. I would suggest Neil spend time with a retriever trainer and maybe read some of the books on retriever training line the ones by Quinn, Morgan, Wolters (D.L.), or Shoemaker then come back and dine on his words.
LIFE WITHOUT BIRD DOGS AND FLY RODS REALLY ISN'T LIFE AT ALL.