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Dog passing live birds

Postby Pappy » Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:55 am

I have a Britteny bird dog. We have not had a good seasoning of bird hunting out here in the West because of the drought. I took the dog to Idaho and he did great, Pointed on chucker and Huns. I was very pleased with his hunting ability. I hunt quail out here in the west. This year the birds are back. Several times my dog has passed live birds hiding in the brush. I just don't get it. Sometime I wonder if he has a nose. Like I said earlier he did great in Idaho. He has pointed some quail. My other Brit that I had would point all of the time, he rarely missed any birds. I know all dogs are different, but this seems to happen a lot while hunting quail. Has anybody else experience this.
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Re: Dog passing live birds

Postby 3Britts » Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:29 pm

Question, is he on the wind side of the bush when he misses the birds?
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Re: Dog passing live birds

Postby Don » Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:55 pm

Probably was on the up wind side. The dog has already shown he'll point birds. First time on quail he might have bumped them if he'd smelled them but I doubt he'd have passed them. On the up wind side they can pass awful close and not smell them. Keep running him.
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Re: Dog passing live birds

Postby Chukar12 » Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:09 pm

Valley quail are very difficult for a dog...when you are hunting Chukars and Huns you are getting better breezes off the ridges. In my experience it takes a dog awhile to get the valley quail thing down especially in the sage country. I have watched wild birds numerous times run back between dogs and I ... it takes some experience. They are a little like wild late season pheasants. Don't give up, keep the wind right and the dog will figure it out.
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Re: Dog passing live birds

Postby AzDoggin » Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:17 pm

The desert scent conditions are not great alot of times either because of the lack of humidity. "The wind is a dog's friend."
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Re: Dog passing live birds

Postby Pappy » Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:10 pm

Thanks for the information on the dog pointing ability. It Justs seems that the dog passes a lot of birds while we are hunting quail. I hunt quail mostly out here in the West. The first two years I had the dog the bird hunting was terrible because of the drought. Hopefully he will pick it up soon. There is nothing like a dog on point and a bird comes busting from the brush.
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Re: Dog passing live birds

Postby 3Britts » Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:56 pm

I find that at good quartering pattern will help when hunting quail. If the dog has a good nose, quartering will put the dog on the down wind side.
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Re: Dog passing live birds

Postby Pappy » Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:57 pm

Thats good advise but the terrain does not always allow it. Where I hunt its very steep and rugged. You really need to watch your step. Those birds no the game.
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Re: Dog passing live birds

Postby 4dabirds » Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:05 am

I think you may just have a conditioning problem. You said the terrain is difficult. Dogs breath simultaneously through their mouth and nose. This allows them to scent while they are running. When a dog goes into oxygen debt it only breaths through its mouth and loses the ability to scent. Fit dog = more birds. Good luck.
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Re: Dog passing live birds

Postby AzDoggin » Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:31 pm

4dabirds wrote:I think you may just have a conditioning problem. You said the terrain is difficult. Dogs breath simultaneously through their mouth and nose. This allows them to scent while they are running. When a dog goes into oxygen debt it only breaths through its mouth and loses the ability to scent. Fit dog = more birds. Good luck.


Great point. A panting dog is not a "scenting" dog. It's made even more a problem in poor scent conditions.
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Re: Dog passing live birds

Postby Ryman Gun Dog » Sat Jan 01, 2011 1:31 pm

Pappy,
Without actually seeing your Brit hunt, this is very hard to answer. However after the dog has more experience he may develop into the wild Quail dog you want.
However you also may have had an exceptional Brit before, and this particular dog may not be of the same talent.
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Re: Dog passing live birds

Postby ezzy333 » Sat Jan 01, 2011 2:25 pm

It has been pretty well documented that th best dogs miss 25%. And that doesnt say anything about scenting conditions on any certain day.

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Re: Dog passing live birds

Postby tommyboy72 » Sat Jan 01, 2011 7:44 pm

I hunt blues and bobs here in far western Oklahoma along with pheasant and I have been having the same problem even with seasoned dogs. It is just to dang dry here as well. Not just the vegetation is dry but the ground underneath the vegetation is completely dusty and dry.
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Re: Dog passing live birds

Postby Ryman Gun Dog » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:03 pm

TB72,
Good point sir, the dryer it is the more difficult it is for the dogs scenting ability. However if he has been hunting the same conditions with both his animals and the one
always scented and found birds for gunning and the new dog passes scent in the same type areas, then there is a difference in the dogs abilities. However its true, the dryer the habitat the more difficult the scenting, we have been lucky here in Pa its been wet, cool and wonderful this season.
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