Coveyrise64 wrote:BigShooter wrote:CR64 - Sorry, I'm not a breeder and don't need any PR.
Coveyrise64 wrote:You think if I was a field trialer and trying to sell pups I'd fill out a survey and not say that I didn't hunt my trial dogs.
I don't think I was talking about you as a breeder, please read my posts before replying.
The response was after a BigShooter quote and included your response
Coveyrise64 wrote:I don't have much confidence in your surveys......PR and you know it.
Please read what you wrote more clearly next time & consider how the response may be received and interpreted by others. I responded to you
and to others after you quoted me & followed up by saying the surveys were mine & they were PR.
Coveyrise64 wrote:BigShooter wrote:I have however hunted with a AA National Champ, trained by field trial trainers, owned by a former long time NAVHDA & AF guy. Spectacular bird work.
I'm sure he is a good dog if you hunted behind him. That's one out of how many? With the risk of death, injury, or losing their dog
I would
doubt many of the "field trial trainers" you listed actually hunt their trial dogs. Amatuer owners and handlers on the other hand are a different story.
I wrote pretty clearly:
BigShooter wrote: the vast majority of the owners of GSP field trial dogs all hunt them.
I talked about the owners. For some reason you wanted to change that to talk about the trainers. I have no idea how many of the field trial trainers own trial dogs and hunt them. Apparently you don't either:
Coveyrise64 wrote:Since my circle of friends is small compared to others here
Coveyrise64 wrote:BigShooter wrote:BTW - I'd be happy to review whatever documentation you have concerning the inability of trainers of field trial dogs to produce trained wild bird hunting dogs, negative PR if you will.
Coveyrise64 wrote:I own a few GSP's that have more than "enough run", I like the fact they have some hunt in them as well. Probably why field trial trainers aren't on my list and many others.
Again, read the post, you're trying to turn this around. I don't think I said they weren't capable of training a dog. More than capable in most regards. The problem is they aren't very accessible or affordale for the average owner/hunter/handler. Probably why none were mentioned prior to your listing.
BigShooter wrote:I dunno maybe folks just thought they didn't have "enough run" in them to try and hang around some of the better field trial trainers for a month!
Again you might carefully read the actual post. "Maybe folks don't think they have enough run in them(selves - added for clarity) to try and keep up with some of the field trial trainers for a month!"
I said nothing about enough run in the dogs and that would make no sense with the rest of the sentence.
BigShooter wrote:working daily with & learning from a "gun dog trainer"
Coveyrise wrote:Since my circle of friends is small compared to others here, is a difference between a "gun dog trainer" and "field trial trainer"?
I think you are missing a word in the last sentence. If you want to be considerate of others, why don't you PM me offline if you have any serious questions or issues to discuss because most of this back & forth tripe is just meaningless banter for the rest of the forum members.