Gun Dog Trainers - The Cream of the Crop

[Cajun Casey]

I tought Chris worked for McCann. When did you start raising pigeons?

Coveyrise64

Chris has had Red Dirt Chessies for a couple of years at least. He hits a lot of the hunt tests with client dogs.

"My" pigeons are the ones that live along the highway. We trap at the body shop and a mini-storage. I can't get my trapper to go into Cloud Nine and ask permission to get on their roof.

[RVBrittHuntr]

Nolan Huffman without a doubt

[BigShooter]

I belonged to the Duluth Retriever Club for a time & fellow members spoke very highly of the retriever trial grounds on the Iron Range.

CR64 - Sorry, I'm not a breeder and don't need any PR. I have however hunted with a AA National Champ, trained by field trial trainers, owned by a former long time NAVHDA & AF guy. Spectacular bird work. BTW - I'd be happy to review whatever documentation you have concerning the inability of trainers of field trial dogs to produce trained wild bird hunting dogs, negative PR if you will.

[Coveyrise64]

CR64 - Sorry, I'm not a breeder and don't need any PR.

You think if I was a field trialer and trying to sell pups I'd fill out a survey and not say that I didn't hunt my trial dogs.

I don't think I was talking about you as a breeder, please read my posts before replying.

I have however hunted with a AA National Champ, trained by field trial trainers, owned by a former long time NAVHDA & AF guy. Spectacular bird work.

I'm sure he is a good dog if you hunted behind him. That's one out of how many? With the risk of death, injury, or losing their dog I would doubt many of the "field trial trainers" you listed actually hunt their trial dogs. Amatuer owners and handlers on the other hand are a different story.

BTW - I'd be happy to review whatever documentation you have concerning the inability of trainers of field trial dogs to produce trained wild bird hunting dogs, negative PR if you will.

I own a few GSP's that have more than "enough run", I like the fact they have some hunt in them as well. Probably why field trial trainers aren't on my list and many others.

Again, read the post, you're trying to turn this around. I don't think I said they weren't capable of training a dog. More than capable in most regards. The problem is they aren't very accessible or affordale for the average owner/hunter/handler. Probably why none were mentioned prior to your listing.

working daily with & learning from a "gun dog trainer"

Since my circle of friends is small compared to others here, is a difference between a "gun dog trainer" and "field trial trainer"?

Coveyrise64

[BigShooter]

CR64 - Sorry, I'm not a breeder and don't need any PR.

You think if I was a field trialer and trying to sell pups I'd fill out a survey and not say that I didn't hunt my trial dogs.

I don't think I was talking about you as a breeder, please read my posts before replying.

The response was after a BigShooter quote and included your response

I don't have much confidence in your surveys......PR and you know it.

Please read what you wrote more clearly next time & consider how the response may be received and interpreted by others. I responded to you and to others after you quoted me & followed up by saying the surveys were mine & they were PR.

I have however hunted with a AA National Champ, trained by field trial trainers, owned by a former long time NAVHDA & AF guy. Spectacular bird work.

I'm sure he is a good dog if you hunted behind him. That's one out of how many? With the risk of death, injury, or losing their dog I would doubt many of the "field trial trainers" you listed actually hunt their trial dogs. Amatuer owners and handlers on the other hand are a different story.

I wrote pretty clearly:

the vast majority of the owners of GSP field trial dogs all hunt them.

I talked about the owners. For some reason you wanted to change that to talk about the trainers. I have no idea how many of the field trial trainers own trial dogs and hunt them. Apparently you don't either:

Since my circle of friends is small compared to others here

BTW - I'd be happy to review whatever documentation you have concerning the inability of trainers of field trial dogs to produce trained wild bird hunting dogs, negative PR if you will.

I own a few GSP's that have more than "enough run", I like the fact they have some hunt in them as well. Probably why field trial trainers aren't on my list and many others.

Again, read the post, you're trying to turn this around. I don't think I said they weren't capable of training a dog. More than capable in most regards. The problem is they aren't very accessible or affordale for the average owner/hunter/handler. Probably why none were mentioned prior to your listing.

I dunno maybe folks just thought they didn't have "enough run" in them to try and hang around some of the better field trial trainers for a month!

Again you might carefully read the actual post. "Maybe folks don't think they have enough run in them(selves - added for clarity) to try and keep up with some of the field trial trainers for a month!"
I said nothing about enough run in the dogs and that would make no sense with the rest of the sentence.

working daily with & learning from a "gun dog trainer"

Since my circle of friends is small compared to others here, is a difference between a "gun dog trainer" and "field trial trainer"?

I think you are missing a word in the last sentence. If you want to be considerate of others, why don't you PM me offline if you have any serious questions or issues to discuss because most of this back & forth tripe is just meaningless banter for the rest of the forum members.

[Coveyrise64]

Been pretty meaningless for me too.....

Coveyrise64

[Coveyrise64]

Here's one I forgot, he's a member of GDF and has helped numerous people with training. Years of expereince with pointing breeds and retrievers....

gonehuntin'

Coveyrise64

[ymepointer]

Just read a nice article in the Christmas issue of the field about Hoyle Eaton, I think it would be great to go work with him or Ferrel Miller for a summer.

[BigShooter]

Charlie Rose was a pain in the pettutie on the forum periodically but I'd be real interested in working with him for a month with the background & experience he's had as a breeder, trainer & guide.

[jimbo&rooster]

I spent a couple hours with Jonesy this past summer and would love to have a month to watch him work. I would also like to spend some time with Mo Lindley, and Ben Williams.

Jim

[Greg Jennings]

Rick and Brenda. Been there. Will be back in mid-Jan. Great people in addition to being great trainers and breeders.

Not mentioned here very often, but Denny Keeton is a good trainer and handler that is easy to get along with. Like Rick and Brenda, when I'm at Denny and Linda's, I feel at home. Love 'em dearly.

Other folks that I'd like to train with would be Mo and Jonesy.

[gittrdonebritts]

Mark Payton and Jonsey would also be good to watch and learn from.

[ISAYWHOANOW]

Rich Robertson for me. You better be in shape mentally and physically if you want to stay and play a month. Early mornings and late nights. Lots of hours in the saddle. You'd come away a cowboy and dog man. What a wonderful trainer. Go spend a day if you ever get the chance! Heal teach you more about yourself than the dog... Truly good people right there.

Ryan.

Plus there record speaks for itself. The elite.

[AZ Brittany Guy]

Charlie Rose was a pain in the pettutie on the forum periodically but I'd be real interested in working with him for a month with the background & experience he's had as a breeder, trainer & guide.

I'm sure you could learn a lot from Charlie but you need a tough hide.

[ksbirddog]

I agree with your comments on GGeorge Hickox. I've trained with him as well. The first help with training, however, was Delmar Smith and he was also good.

I did 2 seminars with George Hickox I enjoyed the first one so much I went back for a second time. Now my only problem is my dog is doing so good i might have to make up a training problem or two to tell my wife so i can go a third time. If money was no problem I would like to go to a smith clinic just to see what the difference is between them. Knowledge is great and any opportunity like this should not be missed. Oh and how about spending some time with Shawn Kinkelaar he has campaigned the Purina top shooting dog of the year eight out of the last ten years. I think I need to retire so I can get on with my hobby. Any suggestions on how to get that passed the wife.

[gozz21]

I would personally love to work with Steve Reis of top gun kennel or with Clyde Vetter with Sharp Shooter. Been to a training clinic with both of these guys and learned a ton in the short amount of time. It would be amazing to work with them for a month.

[lvrgsp]

Retriever side.....Mike Lardy most definately

[markj]

Pat Waresk, Terry Chandler, Rich Barber, Keith Gulledge

I would love to follow Pat around and watch him do his thing. I have been to his place and saw firsthand the dogs work in his field. He is one genuine nice guy with a lot of know how.

The guy runs Odysey in MO is another due to the DC dogs he has brought along. It is where that fritz dog is from I belive.Terry Chandler is another DC trainer I would love to hang around with.

Lets not forget some of the older guys like Paltani, he was good. Used to be a guy north central nebraska had some good blood but expensive, used to see him at the eat um up place in town. Was a nice person to speak to.

Guy named Marty was a trainer in the 70s and 80s lived in CB ia, got my first hege haus bred from him.

[Neil]

Any of the trainers mentioned would be worth paying to train with, but Ferrel Miller would be at the top of my list.

I do not like how he handles a dog in a trial, and for sure I don't want him teaching me morals, but the man knows dogs.

And I think, if you asked you could spend a few days with him, he is very gracious.

Keep in mind that I have spent time with John Rex Gates, D. Hoyle Eaton, Wilson Dunn, Buddy Smith, Joe Walker, Randy Downs, Ike Todd, all three Holmans, Rick Smith, Shawn Kinklaar, Chuck Stretz, etc; and consider them all friends, but Ferrel is at the top of all dog men.

Neil

[Fieldmaster]

110% Chris Goegan @ hipointkennels.com

Works hard and is very honest. Your dog will be worked and not just left on the stake out or in the kennel. Doesn't feed you a bunch of excuses or lies. Good honest hard working trainer using Top Notch methods to create success.

Robert Grove

[Ricky Ticky Shorthairs]

Bill Gibbons and Calvin Blackburn.

Doug

[uplandrsb]

Reading through the post, I did not see anything mentioned about John and Cindy Hann, Perfection kennels.. Ive been to a clinic or two and really like his way of training, i think they are great with their dogs and have results to back it up. Any others know of them or agree??

[Crestonegsp]

Gary Lester

Terry Chandler

Bob Stitt

[uplandrsb]

Reading through the post, I did not see anything mentioned about John and Cindy Hann, Perfection kennels.. Ive been to a clinic or two and really like his way of training, i think they are great with their dogs and have results to back it up. Any others know of them or agree??

Has anyone had any experience with this trianer?? Just curious on the rusults or opinios.

Thanks

[Cajun Casey]

Reading through the post, I did not see anything mentioned about John and Cindy Hann, Perfection kennels.. Ive been to a clinic or two and really like his way of training, i think they are great with their dogs and have results to back it up. Any others know of them or agree??

Has anyone had any experience with this trianer?? Just curious on the rusults or opinios.

Thanks

He used to participate here some. I've met him. Heard comments on his methods which are not for me at all. Too many birds and too much rote drilling, drilling, drilling.

[volraider]

Here's the key for success with dog trainers

Works hard and is very honest. Your dog will be worked and not just left on the stake out or in the kennel. Doesn't feed you a bunch of excuses or lies. Good honest hard working trainer using Top Notch methods to create success.

Robert Grove

[Coveyrise64]

Reading through the post, I did not see anything mentioned about John and Cindy Hann, Perfection kennels.. Ive been to a clinic or two and really like his way of training, i think they are great with their dogs and have results to back it up. Any others know of them or agree??

Has anyone had any experience with this trianer?? Just curious on the rusults or opinios.

Thanks

He used to participate here some. I've met him. Heard comments on his methods which are not for me at all. Too many birds and too much rote drilling, drilling, drilling.

I was under the impression it took birds to train a bird dog and that dogs learned through repitition. I met him also, and kind of like his methods.

Coveyrise64

[nikegundog]

I was at a seminar last summer, and the trainer said never take a dog to a trainer unless it has been used to being staked out. Because if haven't had time on a stake it makes them much more difficult to train.

[uplandrsb]

Reading through the post, I did not see anything mentioned about John and Cindy Hann, Perfection kennels.. Ive been to a clinic or two and really like his way of training, i think they are great with their dogs and have results to back it up. Any others know of them or agree??

Has anyone had any experience with this trianer?? Just curious on the rusults or opinios.

Thanks

He used to participate here some. I've met him. Heard comments on his methods which are not for me at all. Too many birds and too much rote drilling, drilling, drilling.

As far as training, i dont know how you can have to many birds if its done in the correct way.. I have seen the vidoes and do like his methods but i think where your point may be in the resources to have access to that number of birds wheter it be $, land, availability of birds, etc.. However in any training your do, drilling and repatition is what makes them solid.

[TexasAggie09]

Bill Gibbons and Calvin Blackburn.

Doug

I am training with Calvin Blackburn tomorrow morning! He has taken me under his wing.

I am truly one lucky guy!

[Cajun Casey]

I was under the impression it took birds to train a bird dog and that dogs learned through repitition. I met him also, and kind of like his methods.

Coveyrise64

It takes birds, but I'm not in the market for a rope-toting pigeon hound. I've also found reinforcement seems to add a lot to the learning process. We'll see in a couple of weeks.

[Coveyrise64]

I was under the impression it took birds to train a bird dog and that dogs learned through repitition. I met him also, and kind of like his methods.

Coveyrise64

It takes birds, but I'm not in the market for a rope-toting pigeon hound. I've also found reinforcement seems to add a lot to the learning process. We'll see in a couple of weeks.

Still experimenting I see....... Repitition - reinforcemant, whats the differnce? You should have stayed for day 2 of the seminar or get the Perfect Finish DVD, he transitions to quail in that one. Actually, I think there is one scheduled for this year.

Coveyrise64

[Cajun Casey]

I was under the impression it took birds to train a bird dog and that dogs learned through repitition. I met him also, and kind of like his methods.

Coveyrise64

It takes birds, but I'm not in the market for a rope-toting pigeon hound. I've also found reinforcement seems to add a lot to the learning process. We'll see in a couple of weeks.

Still experimenting I see....... Repitition - reinforcemant, whats the differnce? You should have stayed for day 2 of the seminar or get the Perfect Finish DVD, he transitions to quail in that one. Actually, I think there is one scheduled for this year.

Coveyrise64

Seminar? Didn't go. I met the man at a field trial. As far as experimenting, like I said, we'll see in three (had to look) weeks. If someone remembers to send in the premiums, that is.

[V-John]

Jonesy and Mo. Have had the good fortune to train with them both at seminars.

[Coveyrise64]

Jonesy and Mo. Have had the good fortune to train with them both at seminars.

+1 and I think Jonesy is planning on being in Missouri this summer.

Coveyrise64

[briarpatch]

I would personally love to work with Steve Reis of top gun kennel or with Clyde Vetter with Sharp Shooter. Been to a training clinic with both of these guys and learned a ton in the short amount of time. It would be amazing to work with them for a month.

I would second that and would like to spend some time learning a bit from Steve Reis or Clyde Vetter or Rick and Brenda from Walnut Hill think all those have proven themselves time and time again as pro trainers and would like to get a chance someday to learn a bit from them..

Also I dont think they train others dogs I dont believe, but would love to get a chance to learn a little from gpblitz (Howey) or Donny from friedelsheim someday, think they should both consider getting into training others dogs ( if they dont already ) I dont think they do ??? But would enjoy learning a bit from either of them guys someday...

[bluestemkennels]

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