Looking for Advice

[iowahntr4]

Don't know exactly how to ask this, so maybe I'll just explain a situation I'm having. I have a GSP that doesn't like to 'allow' other dogs to retrieve downed birds. Once the bird has been shot, he's got the mindset that he's gonna get it and bring it back to me regardless of the situation. He hunts very well w/ other dogs and isn't mean or territorial at all, it's just when the bird goes down...it's gonna be his! I guess I'm asking: What's the best way to break this habit? I love the fact that he'll retrieve and find any down bird, just don't wanna make any other guys I hunt with angry cause he's 'stealing' their birds.
Thanks in advance for any tips/info.

[Francois P vd Walt]

I am sure the other guys mind......

Steady to wing & shot would be your next step, Perfect Finish Jon&Ciny Hann would be my choice

He has to learn that he can only retrieve on command

[JIM K]

ust me, i would not care if he brought back others birds.that something that he does.
i would tell my friends he may do this and if they dont like it, THEN DONT GO HUNTING WITH ME OR I WONT TAKE MY DOG ALONG WHEN HUNTING WITH THEM.
but i agree. dog should not do this and if you can train them to not do it, thats good but most times i never would worry about this.

[Brazosvalleyvizslas]

I've seen some pretty bad fights from dogs who take offense to another dog stealing their bird. IMO dogs need to learn that they don't get every retrieve even if it means I pick the bird up myself. So I agree with Walt, steady him up and keep him guessing about when he gets to retrieve.'

[slistoe]

A little obedience training. He retrieves when you tell him to. Simple as that.

[ezzy333]

ust me, i would not care if he brought back others birds.that something that he does.
i would tell my friends he may do this and if they dont like it, THEN DONT GO HUNTING WITH ME OR I WONT TAKE MY DOG ALONG WHEN HUNTING WITH THEM.

I'll bet you do a lot of hunting by yourself!

Ezzy

[JIM K]

ust me, i would not care if he brought back others birds.that something that he does.
i would tell my friends he may do this and if they dont like it, THEN DONT GO HUNTING WITH ME OR I WONT TAKE MY DOG ALONG WHEN HUNTING WITH THEM.

I'll bet you do a lot of hunting by yourself!

Ezzy

yes and no. actually i never saw this in 46 yrs hunting.
so i dont have problem with it.

most that hunt with me dont have dog .
ones that do,most DONT retrieve after shot.
but if someone said i dont like toby bringing my bird to you,i would say,GET USE TOO IT.
EZZY, i dont have friends that care,so i have lots of friends hunting.
in fact if you saw my pics, i had 33 hunters out with me this year. 5 disabled vets .
not one got mad at me over anything.
actually i got mad over 1 thing .
I DONT LIKE PEOPLE THAT SHOOT PHEASANTS ON GROUND.

[iowahntr4]

Thanks for the advice, everyone! I appreciate it!

[Gooseman07]

Steadiness and some yard work retrieving stuff. This should be an early on retrieving drill. Heel him next to you and throw a bumper from you side. I would have him on a check cord and as you throw the bumper, hold on tight because he will probably want to break. As soon as he tries to break, pull him back without getting the bumper. Tell him to stay and go get the bumper yourself. I would do this until he doesn't flinch as you throw the bumper and make your release command consistent. Pm me with any other questions.

[campgsp]

Steady to wing and fall will fix this. He will only be allowed to retrieve when sent.

[RayGubernat]

The word "WHOA" ... spoken with authority, comes to mind.

RayG

[Neil]

[quote="RayGubernat"]The word "WHOA" ... spoken with authority, comes to mind.

RayG[/quote)

Yep, and steady

[Doc E]

Have you taught "Fetch - No Fetch" ?



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[Trekmoor]

I expect other dogs to "steal" my dogs birds from time to time and I expect my dogs to steal other dogs birds too but I move heaven and earth in an effort to prevent that happening. Nobody likes to see their dogs birds stolen and quite apart from that it can cause dog fights and it can cause hard mouth in previously soft mouthed dogs.

I believe this habit is better stopped at the very start of the run-in .....or even better, before the start of the run-in. Train the dog very thoroughly that a retrieve is not a "right" that it has. It is a privilege very occasionally given to it by you.

Bill T.

[Hattrick]

Steady him up an stop giving him every retreive during training. Give 2/3 retrieves or 1/3 of shot the birds. Use the retrieve as a reward for good bird work. Get him use to watching other dogs retrieve or you pick up a shot bird. Its just bird manners he has to learn if you hunt with other good dogs.

[smittty]

i have a setter that dont like to retrieve in the hot weather but put another dog in play and its a diffrent story ...he's just a hog

[Neil]

This whole thread is about manners. Listen to the words, a well mannered dog does not STEAL another dog's birds, and an owner with any respect does not allow it, let alone celebrate it.

STEALING point is worse. But not by much.

Bird hunting is a gentlemen's sport, we don't claim other's birds, we don't hog shots, we don't take shots that endanger others or the dogs, and our dogs also behave the same.

Those that do not understand that have no place in my hunting party.

[Doc E]

Have you taught "Fetch - No Fetch" ?

I'll ask again...............................



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[iowahntr4]

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
Doc...I haven't taught that. Up until this past season I didn't feel that I needed to. I usually hunted alone, or with a few guys where my dog was the only one in the field who reliably retrieved. I hope to begin this week now that the 10" of snow we got has begun to slowly melt away. Again...thanks to everyone that chimed in. Appreciate it.

[Chukar12]

by Doc E » Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:52 am
Doc E wrote:
Have you taught "Fetch - No Fetch" ?

I'll ask again...............................

I personally would not suggest using the same word in two commands that you want two exactly opposite behaviors from.

Joe

[ezzy333]

by Doc E » Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:52 am
Doc E wrote:
Have you taught "Fetch - No Fetch" ?

I'll ask again...............................

I personally would not suggest using the same word in two commands that you want two exactly opposite behaviors from.

Joe

Thanks Joe, I was wondering where that name came from as I never heard of using the same word to mean two different things. But I am sure that term isn't actually used in the field.

Ezzy

[Doc E]

by Doc E » Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:52 am
Doc E wrote:
Have you taught "Fetch - No Fetch" ?

I'll ask again...............................

I personally would not suggest using the same word in two commands that you want two exactly opposite behaviors from.

Joe

Joe,
Your response shows that you have no idea what "Fetch - No Fetch" training is about.
Actually for the "No Fetch" the words used are "Leave It".


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[Chukar12]

Joe,
Your response shows that you have no idea what "Fetch - No Fetch" training is about.
Actually for the "No Fetch" the words used are "Leave It".

Fortunately,

My communication and diplomacy skills serve me well, and in this case it seems my analytical skills. Are you suggesting that a guy who asks advice about a dog that steals a retrieve regularly is going to understand the advanced premise of a trained or forced retrieve? Even better when some "internet expert" puts forth a thought process like this...

I'll ask again...............................

Where is the "fetch...no fetch" dictionary? It's never hard to tell the difference between those that are trying to help and those that want everybody to know what they know...often times an indicator is their post of their annual bird count...
c'mon...please

[Chukar12]

I should be more productive than this...
To the original poster almost everybody has offered a fair solution to you, they all have varying degrees of skill and dedication required to achieve them. Some have pointed out that the real danger is the potential and frankly, likely scenario is the damage eventually to somebody else's dog. Solid recall, whoa training, or the more intricate trained or forced retrieve coupled with steady to wing, shot and fall will all work. You just have to research it and decide how much time and effort you will put into it...then and only then will all the copious and diverse terms make sense.

[Doc E]

If the OP would have done Fetch -- No Fetch, he would have known what I was asking about.
If he didn't train it, he would have said "No" or would have asked about it.



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[ezzy333]

If the OP would have done Fetch -- No Fetch, he would have known what I was asking about.
If he didn't train it, he would have said "No" or would have asked about it..

I think it would have been more helpful to tell him what you recommend instead of asking about something you know he hadn't done. It was evident from the very premise of this problem that the dog hadn't had any training and the OP was asking what to do. I wonder why you asked the first time, but it was very clear why when you emphasized your question the second time. Asking a question you know the answer to says more about you than it does about the OP. Neither post helped him I am sure. You can do better.

Ezzy

[Doc E]

If the OP would have done Fetch -- No Fetch, he would have known what I was asking about.
If he didn't train it, he would have said "No" or would have asked about it..

I think it would have been more helpful to tell him what you recommend instead of asking about something you know he hadn't done. It was evident from the very premise of this problem that the dog hadn't had any training and the OP was asking what to do. I wonder why you asked the first time, but it was very clear why when you emphasized your question the second time. Asking a question you know the answer to says more about you than it does about the OP. Neither post helped him I am sure. You can do better.

Ezzy

How was I to know for sure without asking :roll:



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[ezzy333]

If the OP would have done Fetch -- No Fetch, he would have known what I was asking about.
If he didn't train it, he would have said "No" or would have asked about it..

I think it would have been more helpful to tell him what you recommend instead of asking about something you know he hadn't done. It was evident from the very premise of this problem that the dog hadn't had any training and the OP was asking what to do. I wonder why you asked the first time, but it was very clear why when you emphasized your question the second time. Asking a question you know the answer to says more about you than it does about the OP. Neither post helped him I am sure. You can do better.

Ezzy

How was I to know for sure without asking :roll:



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The same way the rest of us knew. But on top pf that it didn't make any difference. He was asking what to do now and not what had already been done. Your advice should have been the same no matter what training had been done or not done.

Ezzy

[Doc E]

Your advice should have been the same no matter what training had been done or not done.

Ezzy

I disagree.



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[ezzy333]

Your advice should have been the same no matter what training had been done or not done.

Ezzy

I disagree.
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I know you disagree, and that is your right, but everyone else didn't and you can't always be right.

Ezzy