First clip wing tomorrow

[CDN_Cocker]

Going to pick up a few birds in the morning so the pup will be getting his first clip wing. He has retrieved a dead pigeon but this will be his first time with a live bird. Any tips for his first time?

[UplandJim]

Just make sure he brings the bird back to you quickly. I would plant them and have him find them. Just keep it simple and fun!

[Coveyrise64]

Going to pick up a few birds in the morning so the pup will be getting his first clip wing. He has retrieved a dead pigeon but this will be his first time with a live bird. Any tips for his first time?

Just one, don't forget your place board......

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[CDN_Cocker]

Just went out and practiced with the dead bird and he acted like a tool and started parading with it instead of coming back. He's never done that. Looks like no lock/clip wing today. Want to make sure he'll come back. Maybe I should have check cord on him?

PS. I'm not gonna live this place board thing down am I coveyrise?

[RoostersMom]

Just don't let him get scared from the flapping wings - sometimes the youngsters don't take to that very well. Make sure he isn't frightened at all (probably not a worry with this one!). I'd use the CC to enforce the "here" command - since you don't have any other way of catching him than by running him down - which will lead to bad associations with a flapping bird in his mouth!

Ohh - and take pictures.

[UplandJim]

Just went out and practiced with the dead bird and he acted like a tool and started parading with it instead of coming back. He's never done that. Looks like no lock/clip wing today. Want to make sure he'll come back. Maybe I should have check cord on him?

PS. I'm not gonna live this place board thing down am I coveyrise?

DO NOT use a check cord for bringing him in from a retrieve.

What kind of space did you just practice with him in when he "acted like a tool"?

[CDN_Cocker]

Out in the yard. He's always been fine there. I don't want to give him a live bird if he's parading with the dead one.

[DonF]

You have a check cord on him and he can't screw it up. Don't jerk him in, just lead him in. Puppy's like to play and that's what they do best. You have the opportunity to make that play useful but to do it you have to be in control. a cc with him on one end and you on the other put's you in control and makes him succeed in spite of himself.

puppy's and check cords.

[SpringerDude]

Dogs will always have a way of doing "new" things in training or reverting back to "untrained" ways.

When you go to a live bird from a dead bird, tape wings down and give pup a short retrieve. Sit on the ground and make it easy for pup to come back to you. Hallway is good. If you use a CC then give just enough resistance to turn the pup but don't try to "strongly pull" pup to you.

Get your drill set up knowing what you are going to do and the area to do the drill. Use a bumper first. Let pup get used to the routine. even if you are going to use the CC, do it with the bumper. Then toss the dead bird. See the reaction of the pup and do things just like you are going to do with the live bird. The use the taped, live bird. make sure pup does things exactly the same in all three scenarios.

Next day, start over with bumper, dead bird, live bird again. If pup is doing great and you feel like he can do it without the CC, leave the CC on the pup anyway and give him a few more weeks with the routine before taking off the CC. You can gradually release one wind from the tape. You can then release both wings but tape the flight feathers together.
If things are going well, then eventually, you can throw the tape winged bird for retrieves.

As you get comfortable with what pup will do with the live bird when he gets it, you can then start planting the bird for pup to find and catch.

Good luck!

[UplandJim]

Out in the yard. He's always been fine there. I don't want to give him a live bird if he's parading with the dead one.

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When I say "Do not use a check cord" I'm basically saying that he needs more steady training to to thrown dummies.

If you make him hup, then throw a dummy ... can you go pick it up yourself and return to Jake's side with Jake remaining steady?

Check cords aren't necessary if preliminary training has been a success.

For instance, my pup Blaze: I can "Hup" him .. throw a live clipped wing in front of him at his feet and he will not move. I can then proceed to pick it up and then toss the clipped pigeon out...pause and give him the command to retrieve. (I have done this scenario many many times with dummies)

Remember it's all about progression. When he's ready, proceed...if he's not then: "take em out - speak quiet to them, don't confuse them, always be honest with them, do what they know then praise em, rinse and repeat! how easy is that!!! add birds and you become a God in their eyes..." Author withheld

I'm not trying to brag here just trying to set a standard.

[CDN_Cocker]

Out in the yard. He's always been fine there. I don't want to give him a live bird if he's parading with the dead one.

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When I say "Do not use a check cord" I'm basically saying that he needs more steady training to to thrown dummies.

If you make him hup, then throw a dummy ... can you go pick it up yourself and return to Jake's side with Jake remaining steady?

Check cords aren't necessary if preliminary training has been a success.

For instance, my pup Blaze: I can "Hup" him .. throw a live clipped wing in front of him at his feet and he will not move. I can then proceed to pick it up and then toss the clipped pigeon out...pause and give him the command to retrieve. (I have done this scenario many many times with dummies)

Remember it's all about progression. When he's ready, proceed...if he's not then: "take em out - speak quiet to them, don't confuse them, always be honest with them, do what they know then praise em, rinse and repeat! how easy is that!!! add birds and you become a God in their eyes..." Author withheld

I'm not trying to brag here just trying to set a standard.

Yeah he is steady to dummies. I only let him retrieve 1 out of every 8-10 throws. steady to the dead bird too its just the return that was the issue today.

[UplandJim]

Out in the yard. He's always been fine there. I don't want to give him a live bird if he's parading with the dead one.

up

When I say "Do not use a check cord" I'm basically saying that he needs more steady training to to thrown dummies.

If you make him hup, then throw a dummy ... can you go pick it up yourself and return to Jake's side with Jake remaining steady?

Check cords aren't necessary if preliminary training has been a success.

For instance, my pup Blaze: I can "Hup" him .. throw a live clipped wing in front of him at his feet and he will not move. I can then proceed to pick it up and then toss the clipped pigeon out...pause and give him the command to retrieve. (I have done this scenario many many times with dummies)

Remember it's all about progression. When he's ready, proceed...if he's not then: "take em out - speak quiet to them, don't confuse them, always be honest with them, do what they know then praise em, rinse and repeat! how easy is that!!! add birds and you become a God in their eyes..." Author withheld

I'm not trying to brag here just trying to set a standard.

Yeah he is steady to dummies. I only let him retrieve 1 out of every 8-10 throws. steady to the dead bird too its just the return that was the issue today.

First, remember that he is a pup. Blaze does the same thing sometimes ... I feel he will grow out of it as he matures.

We often have a bad session and I just leave it as soon as possible. Tomorrow is another day. If I were you I would plant ONE clipped-wing, maybe two...let him find it and see what happens (he should bring it to you) do this in heavy cover ( I feel like open fields are distractions)...then go from there.

""You best judgement" will be your best training tool.

[CDN_Cocker]

Might try today. Start him off on basic stuff and work up to it. Keep you posted.

[CDN_Cocker]

Well just took Jake out with the CC and did a retrieve with a dead bird and this time he was fine. Came right back - mouthing it a bit but I think that's because it has been used a few times (time to throw it out). I got on the ground instead of expecting him to jump back up on the place board with it, I think this is what made the difference. Might try a clip or lock wing later, going to see how the rest of his day goes.

[CDN_Cocker]

Just tried to introduce Jake to a bird. I taped one of its wings and threw it for him as a retrieve. He was right after it but the tape came off and the bird flew away! What a fail!!!! So I have pulled the flight feathers on one wing of another one and will try it in a bit. I was really hoping that he would've been able to retrieve his first one!

[SpringerDude]

Welcome to dog training. getting things to work "right" is sometimes a challenge. At this point, look at the positive. Dog got introduced to a bird and didn't have issues with a retrieve. Sometimes its the little things we have to focus on.

[CDN_Cocker]

LOL Here's my epic fail : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV45gXS4ASg

[CDN_Cocker]

Success today! Did 2 retrieves with a clip wing! Video to follow...

[Sharon]

Fun to see. He showed no fear of those flapping wings which is great. Nice to see your camouflage with your shorts - just teasing you Cass.
One thing I noticed.... don't use the same voice tone for a command and praise . What you are using is fine for a command, but raise it a tone+ and lighten it up for praise. jmo

[4dabirds]

Dont mix up intro to birds with retrieving. The idea of the intro to birds is to intro the bird. If you give a pup anything and it takes possession of that thing the only mistake you made was expecting something different. Its a puppy have fun . When you train the dog to see a benefit for the dog by giving something up it will give it up. Lots of praise.

[CDN_Cocker]

Here they are finally. Had some computer issues:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_t7h7NeE9U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER-noSI9IMc