Pressure

[Donnytpburge]

What kind of pressure do you apply to a hard headed
Dog?

What kind of pressure do you apply to a timid dog?


What kind of pressure do you apply to an "easy trainer"?

Db

[EvanG]

What kind of pressure do you apply to a hard headed
Dog?

What kind of pressure do you apply to a timid dog?


What kind of pressure do you apply to an "easy trainer"?

Db

All of that is impossible to answer accurately on the Internet. But I will tell you that a majority of dogs that their trainers say are "hard headed" are not. They are usually just owned by someone who lacks experience and expertise to develop them at their pace.

EvanG

[Donnytpburge]

Evan

Do you believe that some dogs are easier to train
Than others ?

Db

[EvanG]

Evan

Do you believe that some dogs are easier to train
Than others ?

Db

Without question. But I also believe that the difference is rarely a matter of the dog being stubborn or tough, so much as each one having a different amount of desire to please, and a different degree of intelligence.

EvanG

[Donnytpburge]

Agreed

So what is the differences in pressure applied?

[4dabirds]

Is this a trick question ?

[Donnytpburge]

No sir it's not a trick question


I have multiple gsp and English pointers. I raised them all from
Puppies, trained them, and they are bold, finished dogs!

I have 1 French brittney that I Got at 4 years old, she is extremely intelligent, bold
When she needs to be, and is also a finished dog. The
Difference is that she was trained to flush "on command"
Supposedly by her previous owner.

She is 5.5 now &
I am in the process of breaking the flush on command deal!

She is not timid but she is a one person dog, as she
Will not recall to anyone but me( long story how I got that to work).


The deal is she is very smart, she knows when we are training and does it perfect
Every time, but she is just playing Jedi mind tricks To keep the pressure down!

I know what type of pressure this dog needs to get this done so please don't go through a spill on how to
Accomplish the training!

The thing is different dogs need different levels
& types of pressure. The brittney us not as bold a hunter
As the pointers, but she is smarter therefore she needs different types and higher levels
Of applied pressure.

Db

[Hattrick]

As much as needed.

[EvanG]

As much as needed.

That may sound simplistic, but that's really the answer. We use pressure in dog training to change behavior; to make a behavior more likely to reoccur, or less likely to reoccur. How do you know when you have used enough? When the dog makes the appropriate behavior change. Teach first, then force. Then reinforce.

EvanG

[birddogger]

As much as needed.

No brainer!

Charlie

[Sharon]

As much as needed.

X2 I have a JRT pup right now and I have to be much firmer /consistent with him than any other breed I've trained. VERY smart but also wants his way. He also needs just as much "Well done." as any other dog I've had. He's coming along great.

[gonehuntin']

Some dog's just need a pat on the head others need to know the only reason they're alive is that you've let them live.

[whatsnext]

Brittany's :roll: , that's your problem right there.

[Donnytpburge]

I have decided to go with a low pressure option first.

This dog has been a pretty good challenge, as stated before she is smart enough to do everything right in a training situation with
the check chord on her and e-collar, she will stand for ten minutes on the barrel with a bird in front of her perfectly, but is still trying to break away and jump to flush in a hunting situation, so I am doing this a bit different.

I'm turning the training birds loose (just letting it fly) right before dark in the horse pasture, marking them, and bringing my britt into them at DARK. This seems to be pretty effective as she is out of sorts placing the scent.

DB

[Sharon]

Some dog's just need a pat on the head others need to know the only reason they're alive is that you've let them live.

LOL LOL

[slistoe]

I don't understand the "breaking the flush on command" part? If the dog only flushes on command then don't command it and you have broken the behavior.

[slistoe]

I have decided to go with a low pressure option first.

This dog has been a pretty good challenge, as stated before she is smart enough to do everything right in a training situation with
the check chord on her and e-collar, she will stand for ten minutes on the barrel with a bird in front of her perfectly, but is still trying to break away and jump to flush in a hunting situation, so I am doing this a bit different.

I'm turning the training birds loose (just letting it fly) right before dark in the horse pasture, marking them, and bringing my britt into them at DARK. This seems to be pretty effective as she is out of sorts placing the scent.

DB

So you are letting the dog snow you and are making something relatively simple (the transition from barrel to ground then from yard to field) into something more complicated.

Or perhaps the dog isn't messing with you, you are just trying to shortcut the process?

[Donnytpburge]

Toe

I was told The dog was trained to flush on command by her previous owner, that
Being said the only process or schedule I'm worried about is mine!

I'm not asking for advice as to what to do with my
Dog, the question was what kinds of pressure do you apply.

Db

[slistoe]

Enough to get results.

[EvanG]

Enough to get results.

More specifically, enough to change behavior favorably. That's why we use pressure in dog training. That's how you know enough is enough.

If you think you're being humane by using pressure in small amounts just for the sake of being humane, you may only be nagging. Any husband can tell you how humane nagging is!!! Get it done. Get the behavior change and move on.

EvanG

[4dabirds]

You state the dog is trained to flush on command and then you state the dog is not steady in the field. One would assume if the dog is trained to flush on command it would first have to stand through the shot. If the dog had been previously been standing through the shot and is now anticipating the command by reading your cues the answer to your question is no pressure at all. What you need to do is to change the predictable scenario to one where the dog loses the cue that is the pre-cue to the command to flush. Set up multiple launchers , check-cord the dog to the sent bird. Launch one bird hold the dog from chasing. When the dog stops moving launch another bird then another then another. The dog will lose its cue to move and will be standing in anticipation of the next bird to fly. Vary the timing as well of this drill from the first bird and then to the next. You may have to launch in quick succession at first but as the dog gets used to the drill it will stand there waiting for the next and then the next. The less predictable it becomes the better.