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Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:12 pm
by gundogguy
IsThisHeaven? wrote:
Trekmoor wrote:







On a side note. I have noticed those who fancy themselves training/dog "experts" are frequently those whom are easily offended when When someone does not agree with them or presents an alternative. This seems to hold true on forums and at group training days as well.
So true, those poor politically correct folks just can not handle it when it is not politically correct.

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:30 pm
by welsh
I'm curious as to who people think got all offended here.

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:21 pm
by polmaise
Done some retrieving with a couple of pups the other day ,working on steadiness and honour also delivery.
Having a few problems so any constructive criticism is welcomed :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=323pwK_t6Ng

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:52 pm
by MJB64
polmaise wrote:Done some retrieving with a couple of pups the other day ,working on steadiness and honour also delivery.
Having a few problems so any constructive criticism is welcomed :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=323pwK_t6Ng
There was a little bit of noise on the line from the male, but I think that he will grow out of it. :D

Mike

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:33 pm
by IsThisHeaven?
welsh wrote:I'm curious as to who people think got all offended here.
Who said it was here?

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 4:21 pm
by welsh
Well, I'm not sure how it became such a pressing topic of discussion then.

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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 4:35 pm
by IsThisHeaven?
welsh wrote:Well, I'm not sure how it became such a pressing topic of discussion then.
It is not a pressing topic that I am aware of.

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 4:37 pm
by gundogguy
polmaise wrote:Done some retrieving with a couple of pups the other day ,working on steadiness and honour also delivery.
Having a few problems so any constructive criticism is welcomed :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=323pwK_t6Ng

Grandpa you have your hands full you better get them going good before you take on another pup! :) :)

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:11 pm
by chrokeva
polmaise wrote:Done some retrieving with a couple of pups the other day ,working on steadiness and honour also delivery.
Having a few problems so any constructive criticism is welcomed :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=323pwK_t6Ng
Wow I do have to say I think those are the cutest pups I have ever seen.

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:34 pm
by Trekmoor
I have been "training" a 4 - 5 months old springer pup for a friend for about a month now . She is strongly field trial bred and is crazy keen to work. So far I've kept her out of brambles and gorse but she's been through the branches of piles of fallen trees and has hunted her heart out in most other kinds of cover too. She absolutely loves retrieving and is as good as most pups are that are a good bit older than her.
She swam as soon as I tossed a tennis ball into a river for her and has now retrieved from over low walls and from the far side of wire strand fences and very big ditches.
In short she is a doddle to train , all I was supposed to do with her was to socialise her a bit but I have been unable to resist the temptation to teach her the recall, the turn and (at very close distances) the stop whistle. She seems to learn instantly , so much so that I am now fighting a battle with myself to stop myself from pushing ahead hard with her training.

Wish all pups were like this one !
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Bill T.

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:34 am
by gundogguy
Great, She must run like a train, in both pics her ears are straight back, lovely mouth, no FF here.
How much does the owner want for her? is that in dollars or pounds?

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 4:39 am
by Trekmoor
:lol: I think she cost £700 as an 8 week old puppy , don't know what she's worth now , maybe nuffin at all by the time I'm finished with her ! :lol: She has one annoying fault and it may or may not go away naturally as she gets older. She excitement widdles and she fear widdles if she is physically corrected even in the mildest way .

She was so "hot" on rabbit scent this morning that I decided to put her on the lead until we'd left that area. Then I discovered I'd left the lead in the car. I picked her up to carry her away from that area and she widdled all over my shirt ! :roll: Since she has never actually seen a rabbit yet I will have great fun trying to control her when she does ! :lol:

Her saving grace is that she loves to be trained .....if the training is done "positively."
I am having a great time with her when I am not too busy tearing out my few remaining hairs ! She is a little fireball and I think her owner has hopes of trialing her.

She certainly does not need to be F.F.'d . Her natural retrieve is very strong and she is keen to retrieve from anything I've thrown a dummy into so far. I don't throw into brambles or gorse but anything else is good as far as she is concerned.
In the first of these pics she has jumped onto the little wall, gone through the fence that surmounts it and found the dummy I'd tossed deep into the cover behind those , to a puppy, quite considerable obstacles. She could not see exactly where the dummy had fallen because of the little wall and the cover behind it but she still found it and retrieved it with ease.

I like this pup .....wish she was mine ! All I am supposed to be doing is socialising her but with a pup this keen I find it very hard not to do any "real" training.
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Bill T.

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:22 am
by welsh
There's a lot of pure joy in that pup!

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:36 am
by IsThisHeaven?
Sounds like a lot of fun; looks like it too.

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:56 am
by Trekmoor
A few more pics of this crazy 5 months old springer pup.

Hunting cover.
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Hunting a fence line with cover to either side, she hunted both sides of the fence as if she'd been doing that for years.
That's her coming back through beside the fence post.

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More open ground she flies over ! :lol:

Bill T.

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:30 am
by gundogguy
Trekmoor wrote:A few more pics of this crazy 5 months old springer pup.

Hunting cover.
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Hunting a fence line with cover to either side, she hunted both sides of the fence as if she'd been doing that for years.
That's her coming back through beside the fence post.

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More open ground she flies over ! :lol:

Bill T.
Your pup seems to demonstrate those qualities in this list, "what makes a spaniel a spaniel"

1. Drive, strength of quest, use of wind, quartering style
2. Nose, bird finding ability
3. courage in the face of heavy cover
4. Strength of flush,boldness
5. Retrieve, marking ability and mouth
6. The dogs acceptance of training

Though some of those features and behaviors will tell as time goes by. Thanks for sharing pics of this new talent. :) :)

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:32 pm
by Trekmoor
Her attitude to retrieving is just as keen in water as it is on land . These are pics of her full blooded leap into a small pond and of her splash down a long way out . She went right under but as soon as she surfaced she kept on going for the tennis ball I'd thrown.

It looks like I'll have to hand her back to her owner in a months time . I am going to really miss going out with this little fireball.

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Bill T.

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:28 am
by marysburg
Wow, I'd take one like her anyday. You'll sure miss her when she goes back to her owners. Thanks for sharing her with us.

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:40 am
by Trekmoor
The springer pup continues to suck up training like a sponge . She is very clever but also very sensitive in her dealings with people so, with her, it's a case of training her while never laying a finger on her. I'm an old fashioned sort of dog trainer so I find that difficult but this pup demands a more "positive only" style of training.

She now does stop/sits to voice, whistle or hand signal while hunting or during retrieves although , where retrieving is concerned I have only tried blowing stop twice so far. She will do memory retrieves of about 50 yards through woodlands or of about 100 yards over short grass.

I have begun to teach her steadiness and all it took to "train" her not to run-in was for me to take one fast step towards her with a hand upraised in the stop/sit position ..........she is sensitive so she stopped and stayed for that alone.

That such a sensitive pup is also such a "goer" when working still surprises me a bit. Everything she does she does fast. Yesterday I took her into woods she hasn't been in before thinking to try her on a retrieve over a huge ditch that separates the woods from a raised pathway through them. Most pups at least hesitate at that ditch but Bee went over with no hesitation , got the dummy and then returned to me.
Then she played games with the ditch making huge leaps in order to clear jump it without slowing pace as going down into it would have done. That ditch is very steep sided and is about 6 feet deep and 12-14 feet wide. I find it hard to believe that a 5 months old springer pup can jump it.........or has the courage to even try to jump it.

What a puppy !

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Bill T.

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:18 pm
by gundogguy
Zeta wins Western NY AM all age.

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:14 pm
by Sharon
Congrats! :)

Trekmoor: I can tell you'd sure like to keep that pup.

The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:54 pm
by welsh
gundogguy wrote:Zeta wins Western NY AM all age.
The hits just keep on coming! Congrats.

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Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:39 am
by Trekmoor
Well done Gundogguy ! :D

Bill T.

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 2:48 pm
by gundogguy
Miss Zeta picks up another placement making 3rd at Pittsburgh Pa. In the Amatuer. That makes 8 placements in her last 8 trials

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:56 pm
by marysburg
Congratulations gundogguy and Miss Zeta. You two are really racking up the wins. Very nice.

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:14 am
by Trekmoor
Congratulations Gundogguy. :D Things are going really well for you and Zeta.

My springer "Edge" ran in a cold game test down in Wales last weekend and got third place. His points were lost on a mark that he didn't see fall that became an awkward blind.

The springer pup I'm training here continues to advance by leaps and bounds .....quite literally ! :lol: She can now be hunted away from a dummy she has seen thrown then be sent back for it from as much as 50 yards away even among woodlands.
Retrieving has been a big help in training her to stop at distance with no pressure at all from me. She is willing to stop and then be handled/directed onto a dummy as, for her, a dummy is a very considerable reward.

She returns to her owner in a few weeks time......mores the pity ! I have loved training her, don't think I've ever trained such a precocious spaniel pup before. She has been an absolute delight and a doddle to train.

Bill T.

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:19 pm
by Houmike
New guy here..
I have a 20 month old Boykin and we are fortunate to live within a reasonable (to some) driving distance to a couple of really good spaniel training groups. Learning a lot, and having a lot of fun!

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 1:25 pm
by gundogguy
This photo cam from FB really descibes a spaniel well when compared to humans and other breeds of hunting dogs

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 3:01 pm
by polmaise
gundogguy wrote:This photo cam from FB really descibes a spaniel well when compared to humans and other breeds of hunting dogs
Spaniels don't do paths :)

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 5:34 pm
by Sharon
That says it all - almost. The line for a pointer /setter should be far ahead of the human line. :)

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:00 am
by CDN_Cocker
How's everyone's hunting season going? This fall has been a bit different for Jake and I as we have done more waterfowl than anything - specifically geese. We've been out only a handful of times for grouse and woodcock and while the boy has been finding them and rock solid for me - my shooting on these smaller targets is lacking. Planning on getting out for a bird hunt tomorrow if the snow ever let's up. Hopefully we bag our first of the season

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:07 am
by gundogguy
CDN_Cocker wrote:How's everyone's hunting season going? This fall has been a bit different for Jake and I as we have done more waterfowl than anything - specifically geese. We've been out only a handful of times for grouse and woodcock and while the boy has been finding them and rock solid for me - my shooting on these smaller targets is lacking. Planning on getting out for a bird hunt tomorrow if the snow ever let's up. Hopefully we bag our first of the season
Go get'em Jake. Really Cass size of target should not really make any difference. Bum belly beak bang! It makes no difference if your whether your shooting Pterodactyl or Dragon Flies the method is the same. have a good time in the bush.

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:35 pm
by CDN_Cocker
Well freezing rain foiled our plans for today. Spent the afternoon watching the Colts get a huge win. This is his excited face...
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Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:21 pm
by mnaj_springer
My season has been an odd one for me. Having a baby that's now six months old meant I got out less as daddy duty took precedent. On top of that we bought a house in mid-October and I became an uncle at the end of October. Busy fall. I got out around 15 days this fall as opposed to around 50 last fall. In Minnesota the warm weather also threw the season for a loop. The ducks never came and the grouse had a lot of cover. Fortunately I had some nice woodcock hunts and one really nice grouse weekend. But the inconsistency seemed to affect my shooting ability, or at least that's how I console myself.

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:22 am
by IsThisHeaven?
We hunted wild birds a lot this fall. We started with a two long weekends in Wisconsin and a few dove hunts . We had good luck on grouse and woodcock. We even found a few wood ducks. Doc had a good retrieve on an early season crippled wood duck. It was also her first water retrieve.

We have had a tough but successful Pheasant season. All we hunt are wild birds on public land. I am proud of how well she has developed. My personal opinion is that wild birds on public land is as tough as it gets so seeing how she has handled these birds has been great to see.

Starting this weekend we will be hunting more of a mixed bag for quail and pheasants. Then we finish the year off with rabbit hunting which I really enjoy.

I tried posting some photos but it did not work

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:30 am
by IsThisHeaven?
A couple from the pheasant season

Again, tried to post photos and it didn't work. My apologies

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:16 pm
by CDN_Cocker
mnaj_springer wrote:My season has been an odd one for me. Having a baby that's now six months old meant I got out less as daddy duty took precedent. On top of that we bought a house in mid-October and I became an uncle at the end of October. Busy fall. I got out around 15 days this fall as opposed to around 50 last fall. In Minnesota the warm weather also threw the season for a loop. The ducks never came and the grouse had a lot of cover. Fortunately I had some nice woodcock hunts and one really nice grouse weekend. But the inconsistency seemed to affect my shooting ability, or at least that's how I console myself.
Similar problem here. Had my second child (a boy this time) on October 25... right in prime bird time. Poor planning on my part. I effectively missed deer and moose season as well due to that timing. Been only getting out once a week and most times its been for geese as that's what my buddies are into. Only chased grouse 4 or 5 times, if that.

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:07 pm
by gundogguy
IsThisHeaven? wrote:We hunted wild birds a lot this fall. We started with a two long weekends in Wisconsin and a few dove hunts . We had good luck on grouse and woodcock. We even found a few wood ducks. Doc had a good retrieve on an early season crippled wood duck. It was also her first water retrieve.

We have had a tough but successful Pheasant season. All we hunt are wild birds on public land. I am proud of how well she has developed. My personal opinion is that wild birds on public land is as tough as it gets so seeing how she has handled these birds has been great to see.

Starting this weekend we will be hunting more of a mixed bag for quail and pheasants. Then we finish the year off with rabbit hunting which I really enjoy.
I wonder if you could resize your photos not much see only brush and tile floor. Nice report shame could not see much in your photo downloads

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:09 pm
by gundogguy
CDN_Cocker wrote:
mnaj_springer wrote:My season has been an odd one for me. Having a baby that's now six months old meant I got out less as daddy duty took precedent. On top of that we bought a house in mid-October and I became an uncle at the end of October. Busy fall. I got out around 15 days this fall as opposed to around 50 last fall. In Minnesota the warm weather also threw the season for a loop. The ducks never came and the grouse had a lot of cover. Fortunately I had some nice woodcock hunts and one really nice grouse weekend. But the inconsistency seemed to affect my shooting ability, or at least that's how I console myself.
Similar problem here. Had my second child (a boy this time) on October 25... right in prime bird time. Poor planning on my part. I effectively missed deer and moose season as well due to that timing. Been only getting out once a week and most times its been for geese as that's what my buddies are into. Only chased grouse 4 or 5 times, if that.
I'm not sure Cass but are bragging or complaining about your sex life :mrgreen: :twisted:

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:00 pm
by IsThisHeaven?
gundogguy wrote:
IsThisHeaven? wrote:We hunted wild birds a lot this fall. We started with a two long weekends in Wisconsin and a few dove hunts . We had good luck on grouse and woodcock. We even found a few wood ducks. Doc had a good retrieve on an early season crippled wood duck. It was also her first water retrieve.

We have had a tough but successful Pheasant season. All we hunt are wild birds on public land. I am proud of how well she has developed. My personal opinion is that wild birds on public land is as tough as it gets so seeing how she has handled these birds has been great to see.

Starting this weekend we will be hunting more of a mixed bag for quail and pheasants. Then we finish the year off with rabbit hunting which I really enjoy.
I wonder if you could resize your photos not much see only brush and tile floor. Nice report shame could not see much in your photo downloads
I wish I could. I attempted several fixes but was unable to figure it out

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:26 pm
by CDN_Cocker
gundogguy wrote: I'm not sure Cass but are bragging or complaining about your sex life :mrgreen: :twisted:
Lol Hal! Nothing to brag about - I only have proof of getting lucky twice Hahaha

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:04 pm
by CDN_Cocker
Merry Christmas from Ontario!

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 6:11 am
by gundogguy
Merry Christmas from Michigan, USA. Having a white Christmas for sure!

Hopefully the attached photo shows well!

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:52 pm
by welsh
Well the rain hit Xmas day and no snow left here. I might try to get out for some New Years grouse.

This year brought a new job & a new pup, so I wasn't afield much. The pup is a loon and is being lots of fun. Spent Xmas inflicting on my aged parents a house full of kids and grandkids plus one high-strung all-go springer pup. The trick is to show up with wine. ;)

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Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:14 pm
by CDN_Cocker
welsh wrote:Well the rain hit Xmas day and no snow left here. I might try to get out for some New Years grouse.

This year brought a new job & a new pup, so I wasn't afield much. The pup is a loon and is being lots of fun. Spent Xmas inflicting on my aged parents a house full of kids and grandkids plus one high-strung all-go springer pup. The trick is to show up with wine. ;)

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Alcohol is what allowed my nutbar to survive the past 4 years lol.

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:07 am
by gundogguy
:lol: I can think of a lot of reasons to be driven to drink. However the spaniel of any ilk would not be one of them, except for possible the Sussex or Clumber. Cockers and Springers have the energy and resourcefulness that are probable the things that keep me sober. If a dog is stressing one that much then a retriever or pointy might just be the answer. Though in my case I have worked with many non-spaniels, Retrievers and Pointer types and I often stated to me wife and other mates that I know "that if I had to live with and hunt a non-spaniel I would have never lasted all this time as trainer and dog owner. Certain breeds are just a life style decision for sure.
Happy New Years! :D

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:17 am
by Redleg6
I have finally realized that when I go to work before light and return home after dark, there is not that much time left in the day for training my Springer puppy Kate. I almost feel like I'm cheating her......kinda like trying to drive a new Farrari exclusively in slow city traffic. She is wonderfully bred, clever as can be and is a true natural in many parts of the spaniel game but I see so much more potential there. So, on January the first she's going off to basic training with a well known professional in Georgia for three or maybe four months. My wife and I will miss her company and antics terribly but we do have a couple of long trips planned during the time she'll be there so would have had to make some kind of arrangements for her boarding in any case. I guess the only good thing about sending another "kid" off to school is that this one won't be calling home for more money.

One of those trips I have planned is to Scotland the first week of March of 2017 and while I'm there I'm scheduled to attend a spaniel training day at Buccleuch with David Lissett. If any of the Scots here are near there and would like to share a couple of drams or just some time talking about dogs, please send me a PM.

Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 3:33 pm
by crackerd
gundogguy wrote::lol: I can think of a lot of reasons to be driven to drink. However the spaniel of any ilk would not be one of them, except for possible the Sussex or Clumber...
Happy New Years! :D
Careful there, gundogguy - somebody else might have a nip over those "possibilities"

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or maybe take a bite out of your "lifestyle" cynicism... :wink:

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MG

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 5:04 pm
by welsh
With 15 guests for Xmas and both my energetic dogs ... and my little sister's kids being afraid of dogs ... and signs the pup is coming into heat ... I felt my mother needed wine. :)

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Re: The Spaniel Spot

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:31 am
by gundogguy
"Careful there, gundogguy - somebody else might have a nip over those "possibilities" "

Stirred not shaken!