New Pup/Introducing Rabbits
New Pup/Introducing Rabbits
Hello everyone. First off, forgive me for the wordiness of this post. I've been reading the forum for a long time now but just became a member. Just moved down to Dallas, TX from Oklahoma. I'm a proud new owner of a 10 week old male GSP (name : Watson), and would like to thank Mr. Tommy Wisdom at Rio Concho Kennels, in San Angelo, Texas for providing me an awesome little pup. This is my first gun dog and am looking forward to chasing critters with him for many years to come.
I've been working on clicker training for basic obedience before conditioning with the e collar, and most of my training research has been this site, Training with Mo', Jerome Robinson's Ultimate Guide to Bird Dog Training, and Retriever Training Basics with Danny Farmer. We will be hunting Rabbits, Woodcock, Snipe, and Ducks.
So on to my question. I see alot of versatile hunters on this forum who hunt rabbits will work their pup until steady on birds and then just start to shoot rabbits over them until they get the message that bunnies are acceptable game. Since most dogs will naturally find rabbits this makes sense if rabbits are your secondary priority when in the field. My question is if rabbits are my PRIMARY game while hunting what are some good ways to introduce a pup to bunnies? It seems impractical to me to trap 2-3 rabbits and work the dog on a caged rabbit like a pigeon in a launcher, especially since the whole point of the launcher is to teach him that he can't chase the bird if he gets to close, and with a rabbit he will still be able to chase it once it leaves the trap since its on the ground. Also, the rabbit might just hunker down in the trap and not flush out. I am just looking for a way to naturally steady-to-shot WITHOUT using a whistle, becuase it seems if unless I train on birds first then I must teach a whistle stop after the flush. I know in Britain they will whitle their dogs to stop chase. Will they eventually get the point and stop without the whistle? If I have to whistle train him then I'll probably just be check cording him with caged or live rabbits. If I have to train him on birds first I will.
I look forward to meeting everyone and appreciate all the knowledge I have already recieved from the forum, and thanks in advance for advice on this one!
Jake
I've been working on clicker training for basic obedience before conditioning with the e collar, and most of my training research has been this site, Training with Mo', Jerome Robinson's Ultimate Guide to Bird Dog Training, and Retriever Training Basics with Danny Farmer. We will be hunting Rabbits, Woodcock, Snipe, and Ducks.
So on to my question. I see alot of versatile hunters on this forum who hunt rabbits will work their pup until steady on birds and then just start to shoot rabbits over them until they get the message that bunnies are acceptable game. Since most dogs will naturally find rabbits this makes sense if rabbits are your secondary priority when in the field. My question is if rabbits are my PRIMARY game while hunting what are some good ways to introduce a pup to bunnies? It seems impractical to me to trap 2-3 rabbits and work the dog on a caged rabbit like a pigeon in a launcher, especially since the whole point of the launcher is to teach him that he can't chase the bird if he gets to close, and with a rabbit he will still be able to chase it once it leaves the trap since its on the ground. Also, the rabbit might just hunker down in the trap and not flush out. I am just looking for a way to naturally steady-to-shot WITHOUT using a whistle, becuase it seems if unless I train on birds first then I must teach a whistle stop after the flush. I know in Britain they will whitle their dogs to stop chase. Will they eventually get the point and stop without the whistle? If I have to whistle train him then I'll probably just be check cording him with caged or live rabbits. If I have to train him on birds first I will.
I look forward to meeting everyone and appreciate all the knowledge I have already recieved from the forum, and thanks in advance for advice on this one!
Jake
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Re: New Pup/Introducing Rabbits
My last Brittany would point a cotton tail then gently pick it up and look at me. When I tell her no fir, she would set it down and watch it run away. She came to me as a rescue and had spent some time with a Beagle trainer. Have no idea how she learned this trick but she was very intelligent. My first GSP would point rabbits just like quail. When I would move in his ears would perk up and a little tail wag. I knew a rabbit was coming out. Then he would nudge them with his foot and watch them scurry away. I never shot them.
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Welcome to the forum.
A rabbit in a launcher- that would be interesting.
I trained beagles for many years. They learn by experience , meaning go somewhere where a rabbit is sure to be found, as often as possible. Make sure your shot is accurate.
I never did but some use a rabbit pen for a young pup. .. a rabbit in an enclosure... 10 X10 or...
Letting a youngster work with an experienced beagle helps too , to a point. Not too much of this or the youngster will lose his independence for searching.
You'll have to follow a plan for teaching the dog to retrieve it to you , or you'll have a chewed up rabbit unfit for man - very fit for beast.
Don't forget using a good plan for conditioning to the gun first.
Take your time; don't hurry the training.
Why didn't you get a beagle if rabbits are your first choice?
A rabbit in a launcher- that would be interesting.
I trained beagles for many years. They learn by experience , meaning go somewhere where a rabbit is sure to be found, as often as possible. Make sure your shot is accurate.
I never did but some use a rabbit pen for a young pup. .. a rabbit in an enclosure... 10 X10 or...
Letting a youngster work with an experienced beagle helps too , to a point. Not too much of this or the youngster will lose his independence for searching.
You'll have to follow a plan for teaching the dog to retrieve it to you , or you'll have a chewed up rabbit unfit for man - very fit for beast.
Don't forget using a good plan for conditioning to the gun first.
Take your time; don't hurry the training.
Why didn't you get a beagle if rabbits are your first choice?
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Should've got yourself a spaniel. My guy is great at finding and flushing rabbits. Just get your pup experience on rabbits. Bird dogs point birds because thats what we give them exposure to and reward them for. They say "birds make bird dogs"... you can substitute bird in that quote for whatever game you seek.
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Just teach him to stop at the sound of a gunshot instead of a whistle.I am just looking for a way to naturally steady-to-shot WITHOUT using a whistle, becuase it seems if unless I train on birds first then I must teach a whistle stop after the flush. I know in Britain they will whitle their dogs to stop chase. Will they eventually get the point and stop without the whistle? If I have to whistle train him then I'll probably just be check cording him with caged or live rabbits. If I have to train him on birds first I will.
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From my experiences shooting a rabbit being chased by a dog would make for a very risky proposition for a dog.
Perhaps I don't understand, are you going to teach the dog to point a rabbit and then be steady through the shot?
Perhaps I don't understand, are you going to teach the dog to point a rabbit and then be steady through the shot?
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I agree.Tejas wrote:From my experiences shooting a rabbit being chased by a dog would make for a very risky proposition for a dog.
Perhaps I don't understand, are you going to teach the dog to point a rabbit and then be steady through the shot?
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The Euro dogs learn the "Halt" command just for this reason....down on the whistle. When furred game flushes, the dogs learn over time that they "drop" on the flush...not much different than the "Hup" for retrievers.
I use it and like it. Dogs only associate it with furred game so you still have to train steadiness and manners on feathered game.
I use it and like it. Dogs only associate it with furred game so you still have to train steadiness and manners on feathered game.
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See if you can find a beagle training operation in your area. They generally have "running pens" to train the beagle pups. This will be a fenced in area where there are abundant rabbits. You can practice there.
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Wasn't even thought of when we were breeding/training beagles, but that is a great idea. Many a beagle has been shot by an over excited hunter shooting too close to the running dog.JKP wrote:The Euro dogs learn the "Halt" command just for this reason....down on the whistle. When furred game flushes, the dogs learn over time that they "drop" on the flush...not much different than the "Hup" for retrievers.
I use it and like it. Dogs only associate it with furred game so you still have to train steadiness and manners on feathered game.
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I am looking to have him point at rabbits and hold until after the flush and shot, then retrieve the rabbit. Exactly like every other upland bird. My question is how to train him not to chase WITHOUT a whistle?
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Why are you against a whistle? Anyways just say whoa then. Whistle isn't needed.
Cass
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Looks pretty safe to me! With a trained dog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPHoaHEAIO0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPHoaHEAIO0
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Love Nick Ridley's videos. Wish my go pro vids turned out like that!polmaise wrote:Looks pretty safe to me! With a trained dog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPHoaHEAIO0
Cass
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