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Perfect start perfect finish dvd's

Post by Spotshooter » Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:47 pm

I am starting to realize I know less than I thought I did so I'm looking for a dvd set from a trainer to get me some better foundation.

This one seems to have pretty wide acceptance, and a good deal of fans.

Should I look else where, or add onto getting these?

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Post by cdelargy » Tue Feb 09, 2016 8:40 pm

I was new to the training game 4 years ago. Purchased several books and videos, The Perfect Start/Finish is the one I like most. I like the idea of a happy dog through the training process.
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Post by setterpoint » Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:06 pm

i have those videos and they are very good just stick with them dont try to mix it up with another set of videos you will confuss your self and dog but they will work to train your dog

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Post by Spotshooter » Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:25 pm

I just found out that they are only an hour or so from my house, so I may go do a clinic with them as well.

Cool...

I ordered the perfect start DVD's...

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Post by cdelargy » Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:51 am

setterpoint wrote:i have those videos and they are very good just stick with them dont try to mix it up with another set of videos you will confuss your self and dog but they will work to train your dog
Very true. I like to learn about the different techniques out there. Spent more money on books & DVDs than I did on the dog :oops: But true, pick a program and stick with it.
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Post by skunk » Fri Feb 12, 2016 11:10 am

I highly recommend them. They really break the processes down into steps the dog can understand.

It clearly works as you can see them take multiple untrained dogs through the whole process.

For the Perfect Start specifically, a couple of years ago we used their methods on at least 4 young dogs that were questionable on pointing and they all ended up prizing in their NAVHDA Natural Ability tests.

One thing that is missing is retrieve training but they are supposedly coming out with a video for that (was supposed to be done last summer but still isn't...)

Oh, and you will need a lot of pigeons so I'd get started on some homers or find a place you can reliably trap barn pigeons.

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Post by Sharon » Fri Feb 12, 2016 3:51 pm

cdelargy wrote:
setterpoint wrote:i have those videos and they are very good just stick with them dont try to mix it up with another set of videos you will confuss your self and dog but they will work to train your dog
Very true. I like to learn about the different techniques out there. Spent more money on books & DVDs than I did on the dog :oops: But true, pick a program and stick with it.
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Post by ibbowhunting » Fri Feb 12, 2016 4:51 pm

One thing that is missing is retrieve training but they are supposedly coming out with a video for that (was supposed to be done last summer but still isn't...)

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check out perfection kennels website you can order The Perfect Retrieve, Now

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Post by POINT3R » Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:58 pm

New to the board, but have used Jon's method for 10 years, his clinics are great, so much wisdom, simple logic, dogs learn.

I just ordered his retrieve series, just out.

I agree to previous post, pick one guys method and stick to it.

Kind of like a recipe, follow the steps and you will have a bird dog at the end.

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Post by Spotshooter » Fri Feb 12, 2016 8:40 pm

I have a place to trap feral pigeons, so I'll try going this route...

I also have a place that has plant and hunt birds, and one of the local guys will plant them for you to do training...

Thanks for the tips... I'm going to be trying my best

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Post by skunk » Tue Feb 16, 2016 11:57 am

ibbowhunting wrote:check out perfection kennels website you can order The Perfect Retrieve, Now
Cool. Thanks for pointing that out. They must have just updated the site because I checked before posting :)

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Post by skunk » Tue Feb 16, 2016 12:01 pm

Spotshooter wrote:I have a place to trap feral pigeons, so I'll try going this route...

I also have a place that has plant and hunt birds, and one of the local guys will plant them for you to do training...

Thanks for the tips... I'm going to be trying my best
You'll want a remote controlled bird launcher or 7 to use with the pigeons... :) Seriously though, I'd get at least 2 and as many as you can afford.

Also, if you're following the Perfect Start/Finish method, then you won't be using planted birds until late in the steadiness process.

What you don't want is for the dog to catch a bird. If you could train on wild birds, you'd be golden but planted birds often don't fly well so the dog will be able to catch them and that just teaches them to chase rather than point and remain steady to the flush, shot, and fall.

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Post by ACooper » Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:08 am

Jon Hann is one of the best trainers around, his Perfect Start and Perfect Finish videos are the best in my opinion but admittedly there are other good ones. I also just purchased the Perfect Retrieve but have not yet had a chance to watch it.

I have been to a Jon Hann seminar and was well worth the time, so much so that I have signed up to attend a Clinic at their kennel later this spring.

If you are within a reasonable drive of KC, I would recommend taking you and your pup and going to a clinic.

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Post by ibbowhunting » Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:24 pm

ACooper wrote:Jon Hann is one of the best trainers around, his Perfect Start and Perfect Finish videos are the best in my opinion but admittedly there are other good ones. I also just purchased the Perfect Retrieve but have not yet had a chance to watch it.

I have been to a Jon Hann seminar and was well worth the time, so much so that I have signed up to attend a Clinic at their kennel later this spring.

If you are within a reasonable drive of KC, I would recommend taking you and your pup and going to a clinic.



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Post by Laidback1 » Sat Feb 27, 2016 4:29 pm

Taking two dogs to his Clinic in March!

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Post by RandyinGila » Sat Feb 27, 2016 4:50 pm

And I in April

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Post by ibbowhunting » Sat Feb 27, 2016 8:05 pm

April

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Post by ACooper » Tue Mar 01, 2016 8:03 am

I will be there in April as well. I will be at the Broke dog clinic.

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Post by Fun dog » Tue Mar 01, 2016 7:13 pm

ACooper wrote:I will be there in April as well. I will be at the Broke dog clinic.
As will I.

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Post by ibbowhunting » Fri Mar 04, 2016 10:32 pm

Me three

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Post by Spotshooter » Fri Mar 04, 2016 11:02 pm

I'm definitely going to get bird launchers, and use birds...

I bought the perfect start DVD, I tried ordering if from the maker but they only sell it through the gundogsupply now so I had to re-order it... So I haven't gotten it yet.

I'll definitely check out the clinic, they are only 1.5 hours drive from me... I wanted to send Remy to the full month perfect start but the cost is too high and MOM said nope... :)

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Post by Spotshooter » Fri Mar 11, 2016 5:09 pm

I missed the April registration so it looks like I'm in June.

So I'm in..

Thanks guys

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Post by Laidback1 » Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:50 pm

I got back home TUE nite from the Clinic. It was a great experience. I learned more about my dogs (and handling my dogs) that I ever imagined. Learned just as much watching the other dogs as Jon and Jessica worked with them and their owners. Highly recommend. It was worth the 14 hour drive!

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Post by marysburg » Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:01 pm

Fun Dog, that will be a hike for you to go to Perfection Kennels. How many days would that be for you to make the trip? I have attended Rick Smith Seminars, and would like to also try the Jon Hann series, but the drive is the sticking point. I figure it to be 2 1/2 to 3 days each way. Won't be going this year, but there is always next year. Have a great time.

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